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09-15-2009, 10:10 AM | #353 | |
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Regarding the possible drop of the Cayenne, I would only expect this to be true if the US market for these products decreased. What I would expect is the Cayenne to get smaller instead of the usually trend to get bigger. Quote:
Some say that such a small capacity engine would hurt potential sales but then surely the same should be said for the 911turbo compared to it's key rivals, competing in a world where 8 or 10 cylinders and larger capacities are the norm and it's been doing this for as long as I have known and consistently out selling the competition. The reason I think it's been so successful mainly because the performance hasn't ever suffered. I suppose I'm more a fan of turbo units than normally aspirated because I don't class the downfalls of the slight lag present to hinder the enjoyment one single bit, especially when you count up the positives. |
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Don't look at the problems the 135i and kin have as a true reflection of what other brands are like. |
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I think we're digressing here...anyway, some comments:
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Like any other performance car the success of the RS5 will be measured in performance compared to rivals and previous generations as well as sales numbers. I strongly doubt the performance part will be an issue. And I don't think emissions will be a factor to most folks in this market. As long as Audi can meet emissions regulations (which I am sure they can) and produce it at the right price-point, it will sell. Quote:
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I gut feeling is that the next M3 will produce an emissions figure no higher than 230, and as the S5v8 has a figure of 288 it's highly unlikely that incresing it's power by close on 100hp will reduce this figure. Quote:
I would normally agree that smaller capacity and being asked to produce the same means more stress but this thing has so much potential it's unreal. Think 600hp. |
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Porsche was smart one special suv. Audi one special suv. Bmw stupid x3 x5 x6 !!! Now thay are so deep in r&D that thay can't go back and rework it's thinking going forward for the suv market. Now thay decide to do this to the m3! Thay had it right 1 series 3 series 5 series 6 series 7 series and the M with a little z4 and a special x5 suv. That's it.Thay are in to deep with suv's. And the m3 should of been their all around driving track star!!!!JMO
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600HP from a 2.5L engine = BIG turbo lag |
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09-15-2009, 04:26 PM | #364 | |
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Some people do not get how cars are designed and life spans- these people are going to be shocked with the new 5 series and the next 3- which is build on the same chassis as the next X3 and the 3 Gt etc....
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There is something quite appealing to sitting higher than the norm in something that gives the impression how ever false that you are safer than a normal car. The problem with them (SUV) is that very few offer a decent driving experience and even fewer combine this with a decent level of ride comfort (that excludes all of the X models which boarder on harsh), leaving only the ML, Q5 and Cayenne as true all-round sports SUVs. I think BMW's best new model to date is the 5 Gt, isn't not going to appeal to the sporty driver but as an all-rounder it's right up there and should sale well for them. I'm surprised that they haven't got a CLS equivalent, I thought this would have been a niche model right up BMW's street, maybe they only like to invent a niche instead of copy. |
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AND...don't forget that Mercedes has the GL, the ML and now the GLK
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Everyone here is in agreement that weight is king, especially around the nose and this is even more true for Audis than anything else. I can't remember the figures but I think the complete R5 engine is about 50kgs lighter than the v8. That's a huge figure and goes a long way to curing Audi's weight distribution and thus improving it front-end bite and steering feel. It's this first couple of seconds of turn-in that Audis suffer most, it's where understeer happens, once the car is settled it's grip and traction is undeniable and it pulls round the rest of the corner with the best of them. I would lay any money down that if Audi fitted this engine under it's nose it would be the best car they had ever produced, better even than the R8 and I say that because I am in no doubt the torsen quattro system is far superior than the system used in the R8 and Gallardo. But enough about Audi, we are here to discuss the next M3. |
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the suv market is gone. If mercedes has 3 suvs and audi 2 suv. bmw has 4 or 5. What does iit mean to bmw? The R&D is what costs a lot or these suv's! Not the way there made. Thay say it is cheaper. But it is peanuts to R&D. The R&D is kept secret on thier quarterly reports. Thay show the diffrence in price from a suv and a passenger car. Go ask gm and jeep chrysler and hummer. Wrong direction for bmw! The x3 is number one because it is a small truck like. Thay are about to brake like gm chrysler jeep and hummer. Thay will change the course in about 1 or 2 years. The turbo 6 is not the fix. It's the way people think now.
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Within the lines of what I am saying in my first paragraph of my earlier post |
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When gas prices sky rocketed in the US people over reacted and dumped their SUVs in favor of more fuel efficient cars. Now that prices have settled down trucks and SUVs are back in demand. I know that local Ford dealers have a hard time keeping Expeditions on their lots because Ford has cut production so much and demand has gone back up. Also, the used values on trucks and SUVs have been climbing in recent months due to people trying to get back into larger vehicles. I don't think the large SUV is going to survive much longer, but I think you will continue to see demand for roomy vehicles that don't look like minivans or wagons (I'm not knocking wagons, but a lot of Americans don't dig wagons). Car makers will figure out ways to give customers the space they want in an efficient and stylish package. |
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The only reason I wanted back off the subject of the RS5 is because everyone sees me as pro-Audi and to continue discussing it when you thread was all about the next M3 only adds fuel to the fire. Now if the RS5 final engine spec was officially confirmed then that's a different matter because it would have some kind of a bearing on the future M3, a product to gauge what it would be up against. |
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