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Erio, here it is in a nutshell; the Skyline GT-R from about 10 years ago was capable of similar performance. If you are well versed you'd know that about 10 years ago some special edition R34- GTRs were running sub 4 seconds 0-60, without all the technology, tires that the current GT-R has. Don't bring up a civic, bring up an EVO or a GTR, cars with production level highly tuned cars like the Evo FQ400 or the Z-Tuned Skyline GTR, don't sit here and bullshit me with a honda civic. You want to have an educated debate, bring the facts... On every other forum, threads like this would get crushed with people who actually race, actually tune their own cars, or get their hands dirty (not via the keyboard). I don't get the feeling that you have any real hands on experience or history with modified cars... |
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No your arrogant comments and non sequiturs are less than non-constructive, they're just hostile. The GTRs performance is amazing and to demean someone for be astounded by it is flat out bizarre. For a stock car it is an incredible achievement. And throwing in tuned cars is apples and oranges. Warranties, reliability, depreciation and resale are pretty much flushed when doing serious modifying. So from a cost standpoint a GTR is still a bargain.
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What I would have expected in response to this thread is, something like at the launch of the GT-R companies like Cobb tuning went to work to extract this type power, and were capable of attaining these gains...these 2011-2012 numbers should not be shocking to owners in the 'know' or even people who know and followed the Skylines of the past. Yet kudos and praise are thrown around like the Nissan engineers cracked some secret code. |
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Another non sequitur. Since when was this thread about the unobtainable Skylines of the past? And how is it trolling when the thread is about GTRs, started by someone that doesn't own an R35? The performance numbers are amazing and for you to shrug them off as a complete yawner strikes me as weird. Show me a stock car with those numbers for that price and I'm impressed.
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I'd say the 2011 Z06 is a great competitor for the GT-R, both in price and potenential. In this comparison, they have even track times, vette has a higher trap...but obviously without a dual gear clutch or awd, 1/4 times obviously are hurt. I think a rational person would see the vette has very close if not equal in some respects to the GT-R's numbers. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...n/viewall.html does this impress you? Note* I don't have 2012 z06 numbers in here... |
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10-19-2011, 10:00 PM | #118 | |
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Yes a Z06 is impressive as is a ZR1. I still don't get the contempt for the GTR and its fans. It's a beast and given its weight its a lot more nimble and faster than one would assume just looking at its specs.
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But I mean yeah.. GTR wise.. you're right about the price, but what would you rather own? Personally the GTR isn't my style. I'd just either go M3, or wait, save, hope to make more money and pick up a Porsche.
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I just got back from doing the Mojave Mile... and I got to say... after beating the new Ferrari 458, every 'bolt on' Z-06, every stock ZR1, stock R8... a Twin Turbo R8 GT V10... beat me by .1 in the mile... The GTR is an amazing car... how 3800lbs... handles, stops, and accelerates like that... is a cool feat Nissan pulled off. I don't own a car long enough to be considered a brand whore... but this one is nice for now. Here's my video... have to look closely to see the MPH... but best I could get from the angle and glare. http://youtu.be/9rEMne1tyIE?hd=1 Thanks, Dave
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10-20-2011, 08:36 AM | #123 | |
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For Chevy, Ford, Cadillac it would be too much of a customer sacrifice to change the formula, by moving to AWD and a Twin Turbo setup. But past cars like the Buick GNX or the Supra T or TT, show us that these Turbo type setups are capable of amazing performance numbers. Pricing is another complex aspect of the car market, I think we can all agree that the Nissan GT-R is under priced, a performance bargain that Nissan might break-even on, considering the technology and parts. This is partially driving the dissonance that the GT-R causes. My whole point is, 0-60 in 3-3.5 seconds, not shocking...when somebody get's a new generation GT-R under 7 seconds in the 1/4, then I will be in shock and awe. |
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Four GTR's showed up at a track day I was participating in and after that day I gained full respect for that car. The cars were barely modified but just blew by everything on the track. One of my friends who is an instructor got to drive one and he said "Even if I do track days for the next 20 years at the rate I am doing them now I will still not be even close to reaching the limit of that car. It's amazing!"
It was funny that the corvette guys at the beginning of the day were talking about how many times they were going to pass the GTRs. By the end of the day they were discussing how many times they were passed. Just incredible. |
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It's factory trim, with a warranty. As it comes. At some point you have to choose a baseline for any comparison. "Stock" is a good starting point - since it's just that, the "starting" point. On the other hand, if you just want to compare budgets, then I suspect these would be the winners every time : - Base vette + blower = stupid power per dollar - evo/sti + whatever mods = stupid power per dollar (I'm avoiding the 'multi million dollar' scenario here...) -scheherazade |
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Porsche's must be a piece of shit since the inception of the 959. God who would want a 911 GT3 or Turbo??? Theyre not even amazing or fast compared to their lineage. And your R34 comments. Thats like saying Justin Bieber and Rap artists shouldnt be allowed to buy $300K Ferrari's without knowing the history of the 250 GTO and atleast 10 lemans winners last names. Grow up. But thank you for the Epic laugh
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A lot of people did feel that the early (996) were junk (not quite sure about the 996GT3), even the 996 Turbo. You wouldn't get that sentiment when comparing it to say, a 993. Actually if you look at some of the performance feats of a 993, well..I don't want to open that can of worms, Shirley my IQ is too small to have such discourse. To your second point, Did you just liken GT-R owners to Justin Bieber, I'll take that (joke), I'm not not talking about owners, or non-owners, people are allowed to own whatever they want with their money. If I was on a gun forum and somebody started posting about how amazing a barrett 107 50 Cal was, I'd agree, it is amazing...but there have been other very successuful iteration, this passion and obsession with the storyline of these cars makes it more than just a possession (for me at least), I don't own a car just to own it and tell people I have one. And, if you followed th lineage, you may understand where I'm coming from. If cars are like hookers to you, then you probably won't. |
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If say Toyota, would make an amazing 2013 supra tt, and say it came with 550hp, and suddenly the engineers at Toyota extracted 650hp by adding boost/psi sold as stock, my arguement would be the same, guys were adding boost a long time ago. |
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