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07-16-2012, 08:47 PM | #45 |
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Wow, I certainly didn't mean for my post to set off this kind of back and forth. I was going to just step back, but I guess I feel compelled to post.
Am I a bad driver? No, I am not. I have logged a lot of safe miles in various different cars and up until this past Thursday never had any issue. Am I a great driver? Not a chance. I have lots to learn and can certainly admit that. Did I make a serious error that I am fortunate that all the result was is a little bit of damage to my car? You bet your a$$! I am first and foremost grateful that my lapse in good judgement didn't result in injury to anyone. I'd like to think that had a car been coming the other way I'd have never done what I did, but I won't try to rationalize it away. I made a mistake. I admit that. But, to the people going on and on about how the M3 is too much for people if they can't control it without DSC you really need to come off it a bit. I feel pretty confident in assuming you've made mistakes behind the wheel. No one on here (at least that I know of) is a great (ie ALMS, Formula 1, etc level) driver. We all have things to learn. I will certainly learn from my mistake. I've played it over in my head numerous times. I generally have good car control, but in this case I screwed up. Plain and simple. It was the wrong place, the wrong time, and on top of all that I failed in controlling the car. Going forward I will take it to the track. I've already begun seeking out a few HPDE's between now and the end of the fall to improve my capabilities and to take these kinds of learning experiences into a controlled environment. That's all I've got gents. |
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I didn't mean to sound harsh, and I'm sorry if I did.
I was not singling you out, I was commenting on how a lot of people think if you turn off your DSC you are a death trap waiting to happen But to further what you said If you always drive with DSC, You're not learning, as most mistakes you make will be corrected by the DSC. it's only when you don't use DSC do you learn that you have to be easy with the throttle in certain situations, car control etc Other wise you can just mash the gas pedal very time and rely on the computer to regulate the gas, and take care of business I can guarantee you that anyone that is a formula one driver etc, did not get to where they are by using DSC all the time I can also tell you it took me 2 years of driving this car before I felt comfortable turning off the DSC Now after owning an M3 for close to 4 years, I am pretty confident in my skills to handle it without the electronic nannies BUT When I turn off all that stuff, i am giving my driving 100% of my attention. If not, then I leave everything on.
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My old 4x4 toyota truck has no ABS, barely has airbags. I hate to let people drive it. That thing was/is easy to roll if you drive like crap and make a sudden swerve/w brakes on (like someone borrowing your car and doing a panic stop when cut off by another knuckle head). If anything needed DSC, it was that situation exactly...remember old ford explorers. Damn, no DSC, no anti-lock, first gen airbags...how am I alive? How did we survive? JK!
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When I was a teenager I had a '77 Toyota Pick-up, long bed. Now, you want to talk about a dangerous car!
This thing had zero electronic aids. The brakes were either off or locking up the ultra light weight rear-end. The steering was full manual. It overheated driving across town. Air bags...only if you had balloons in the car. My point...an e9x M3 is a piece of cake to drive compared to the rolling junkers I grew up with and learned to drive. All this said, don't drive over your head unless you are willing to learn a tough lesson, sometimes the hard way (self included). |
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Kmarei is right, if you don't turn off DSC you are not learning. However, IF you turn of DSC, you have to be mindful of what you are about to do. For me, I found baby steps (with DSC off) in a controlled enviroment helped. I now feel comfortable with DSC off below 100km/h. I have never found myself sideways beyond control, or going too fast to take a corner. I hope I never will, as I have a lot of respect for this car DSCed off, and I don't want to have smashed rims etc. Good luck. |
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I agree with what some have said. If one ends up losing control or spinning every time one turns off DSC, that person doesn't have the driving skills (or maturity) required to handle an M3.
I do believe in the safety net offered by electronic aids. However, they should only be there for the odd occasion of an emergency situation, such as an avoidance maneuvre, or when hitting unexpected road conditions, such as black ice. This is why it is a good idea to keep DSC on on the street as you cannot anticipate when you will need it. However, electronic aids should not be there to restrain someone that is uncontrolably mashing the throttle in every turn due to lack of skill or judgment. The M3 is a very potent machine with performance equivalent if not surpassing race cars of just a few years ago, yet it is available to the general public. Many other cars also fall in this category, we are living very good and fun years in terms of automotive history . Let's enjoy it responsibly . Last edited by CanAutM3; 09-04-2012 at 09:14 AM.. |
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I turn my DSC off only during autoX and track events. Too much at stake on the roads, and not enough opportunity to "push the limits" to where it matters. As much as I'd like to daily drive with it off for the experience, I have more peace of mind leaving it on.
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how is it f@cked up here? i would normally agree with you i usually use the enter key more than i should (instead of using . ) but in this case i was using it sparingly
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For some reason I could not edit it on the iPhone,
Had to wait till I got back to the office,
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Update your Bimmerpost app. The ability to edit posts from the iPhone was recently added.
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Shit happens, it's a persons ability to learn from their mistakes that is important.
I thought that was what DSC stood for...Douche Spin Control
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Rear tires are 275 Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Specs with a good amount of tread. Rear toe is 1/16th in. BTW, I completely agree with what everyone says about safety. I only try this stuff when I have good visibility and there's no one and nothing to hit. Also, I normally street drive with DSC on (added safety, for that unexpected situation), but my M button is set for MDM in case I want a bit of fun. I love that MDM lets me drive hard without risking a spinout (I know MDM has limits; I don't use it to make impossible turns but rather to keep my throttle application in check).
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Honestly, the only good reason I can see for the different power modes is heel-toe downshifts. Otherwise, just leave it in standard mode as that will give you better throttle control. And throttle control is especially important with DSC off.
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