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So true, I dont care if its I-6, V-6 - or V8 with the turbo/supercharged. None of it matters to me, because I truely believe in BMW, especially the ///M division. Whatever engine they decide to use, I am sure it will be GREAT (to say the least).
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Have you watched the cabin video of X5 M or X6 M around Nurburgring??? It sounds awfully boring with a 6800 rpm redline inside the cabin much like a 135i or 335i. It sounds or feel nothing like a sports car. More like a very fast, good handling commuter car. Heck, my 330 ZHP can rev as high as that and it ain't no M. At this point, it is more than apparent that the new M cars will have the same philosophy of low-revving, high-torque force inducted engines. Whichever configuration in the past M used i4, i6 or V8, they retained the critical elements in the engine, which were, high-revving engine philosophy, character and soul of a sports car. That kept the excitement. The issue was only with growing size. Call me a high-revving engine fanatic but, engine-wise now BMW altogether killed just about everything that separated M from a regular BMW. |
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Ya your right, but change isn't always bad. I for one like the the X5 M, I would love to buy one as my daily driver and keep the ///M3 for fun. Now regarding the high-revving, I agree with you completely. But dont compare what M engineers did with the X5 and X6 M because perhaps they will make it a high revving somehow, we don't know what technology they have up their sleeves...lets just wait and see before saying BMW ruined the next generation M3/M5/M6, because the cars aren't even close to production yet!
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08-27-2009, 10:34 AM | #163 |
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IMO, the next m3 should be smaller, weigh about 3k, I6 turbo (b/c we pretty much know this is going to happen), and look really sweet. Oh, and have seats that are like the BMW performance seat. Racing seats FTW. and an option for lightweight black wheels...since alot of people end up getting them.
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i wish they would just make it a bit more racing focused. all of the luxury items are nice, but i really could do without them. To me the M3 should be more like a front engined GT3 RS.
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08-27-2009, 12:55 PM | #166 | |
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Funny thing is the 997.2 GT3 non-RS is not stripped of any luxury. It is extremely luxurious. It weighs 2960 lbs yet, it only lacks back seats. It is just extremely light while having just about all the luxuries the Turbo comes with such as, PASM system, Navi, Sport Chrono Package, A/C, power windows, heated mirrors etc. |
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it's still going to have a navi, heated seats, and probably more luxuries unless they carbon fiber the whole body I don't think it's going to hit 3,000lbs and if they do, for the price it's going to sell for, I'd just get a 911
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Not a lot smaller. Maybe a bit. Atleast that is what the dimensions say:
911 Turbo length: 176 inches 911 Turbo width: 72 inches M3 sedan length: 180 inches M3 sedan width: 71 inches An N/A V8 180 inches long car CAN weigh 3200 - 3300 lbs. It is just a matter of doing the proper R&D for lightweight materials and putting up with higher emissions than say a turbo V6. |
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Can't say I didn't see this coming.
One certainly should "expect 0-60mph in under 5sec" considering the current e9x model can make 60mph under 5sec Anything slower would be a step in the wrong direction IMO. I cannot wait for the teasers.
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Im just being overly optimistic about the weight...i know it will never be 3000lbs...i just really wish it would
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Because I have yet to drive a car or race car with a Turbo that is as exciting as a NA or roots-type supercharged car. No matter what they do, a turbo will have some amount of lag. When 5-10 feet count before the apex and you need direct power control, turbo is not going to tickle my fancy. Case in point - the 997.5 911 turbo. It is not even in the same ballpark to drive as a GT3. The good news is that the GT3 is not much more than the M3 all things considered.
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