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11-15-2007, 03:33 PM | #23 | |
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The 911 didn't have PCCBs, nor did it have 20mm susp. w/LSD, x51 or CUP tires. |
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11-15-2007, 03:34 PM | #24 |
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Porsche are indeed upping their game with the aid of Audi and their FSi technology. This will be being added to all of their engines over the next couple of years and it's believed to yield an extra 20~25hp per engine (excluding GT3, Turbo and GT2).
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11-15-2007, 03:35 PM | #25 | |
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11-15-2007, 03:37 PM | #26 | |
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Well then AUTOCAR must have got it wrong because they stated that the 997S had Ceramics. As for the differences between 18" and 19", your bloody right I believe there is a difference in the way they make a car behave and I have experienced it first hand. |
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11-15-2007, 03:38 PM | #27 |
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Thanks. Everyone knows that by now. I am talking about REALLY stepping up. As much as I love P cars, I will still say that they are over priced. For the kind of money Porsche demands, more power should be had. For example, for $90k something, x51 should be standard and 400 hp should come with it, and so on.
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11-15-2007, 03:40 PM | #28 |
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Again, no kidding, 18's are better for racing. I am simply talking about CUP tires.
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11-15-2007, 03:45 PM | #29 | |
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I am not aware of that car having ceramics. Even if it did, why would it matter. I don't care what available option you put on the M, DCT, whatever, as long as the tires are of equal caliber. |
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11-15-2007, 03:51 PM | #30 | |
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In my opinion only one car in recent years that has thrown a spanner in the works and shown Porsche car to be over-priced for what you get, and that car has been the Audi R8. Not only does it out handling and out drive the 997S but it looks like a proper supercar and has the quality and the sense of occasion that no Porsche this side of a Carrera GT can muster. If BMW want to complete with Porsche they need to start building a car like the R8 instead of that poor excuse called the M6. Sorry guys for being this blunt. |
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11-15-2007, 03:53 PM | #31 |
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Back to topic,
I was under the impression that the CUP tyres were to be part of a performance package to be offered as an option which included the limiter being moved to 280km/h. Is this not the case now? |
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11-15-2007, 03:59 PM | #32 | |
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11-15-2007, 04:01 PM | #33 |
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Well Devo, you have done it again. After I warned you not to and you said you weren't going OT.
You're getting fairly predictable now.
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---------------------------------- Regarding tires, then all cars should have the exact same tire brand, same size, same width etc etc if its going to be fair |
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11-15-2007, 04:11 PM | #35 | |
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Don't forget the test results I posted showing the E46 M3 being quicker through wet corners than the S4! Perhaps not easier but faster for sure. Sorry can't find the post right now or would provide a link.
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11-15-2007, 05:48 PM | #38 | |
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But this is missing my point which I was trying to make, we don't buy cars based on lap times, well us intelligent ones don't in any case. We buy them because on the enjoyment they bring, that is it, end of story. |
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11-15-2007, 06:41 PM | #39 | |
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Again to be clear I am not saying AWD and the great Quattro system the Audi uses is not a significant advantage in many traction limited circumstances. But "Quattro" does not mean by holy proclamation "outperforms RWD in all metrics". Last edited by swamp2; 11-15-2007 at 06:41 PM.. Reason: P.S. E - sorry for the ongoing hijack! |
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11-15-2007, 07:34 PM | #40 |
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So, it seems like the European bought M3s were not given an option to have the Cup tires come OE. Which brings me to ask this question:
If we get that option over here in the states, how many Euro M3 owners will go ape-shit? I ask because it almost seems a bit ironic that we would possibly get the Cup tire option while Europe didn't because I view American street laws and typical driving to be way more toned down and nonchalant. While I personally don't drive slow, and nor would I expect anyone posting on this forum to drive slow either, there are people out there with e46 M3s and e92 335i's that drive very po-dunk. I imagine much of Europe isn't as lax on the streets. |
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They won't offer this option in the U.K. |
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11-16-2007, 04:46 AM | #43 | |
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Let me explain how the test was conducted and I will leave it up to you to decide whether it's a true reflection of both cars abilities. The test was carried out on a public road, both cars had to stay on their own side of the road and the person carrying out the test was using his own M3 long term car. When you are limited to staying on the one side of the car you are not exactly pushing the limits of traction in either car plus the fact that the person doing the test happens to be overly familiar with one example doesn't exactly lead to an objective result, now does it. The test carried out on the E92 M2 was conducted on a track under identical conditions and in this it proved the advantage that the RS4 and quattro has over the M3 and rwd. In fact the same test was carried out on the 335 a few months earlier and produced almost identical results to the M3, proving that in such conditions awd and in fact even fwd cars provide quicker times as the Ford Focus ST220 was in itself over 3 seconds quicker than the M3. But again this is getting away from the objective of my original post which was to say that what time a car gets compared to another is not that important in my opinion. |
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