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I agree with 2 so I won't bet there. How about the MDCT will take >0.8 seconds to shift (me) and you bet the MDCT will take <0.8 seconds to shift in the fastest setting?
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Care to wager on your theory? Here is a hint, if both clutches were engaged at the same time, you would be in 2 gears simulataneously. There is some finite period where neither are engaged and you will slow down, no matter how slight. What would you like to wager?
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Sorry swamp I thought I made it clear that the Veyron was never getting a manual and always was intended to get DSG. Why keep discussing the SMG which is effectively a single clutch manual, the two gearboxes behave totally differently. I recommend sampling the gearbox in the M3 before comparing it to the SMG in the M6. |
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And I know for a fact that the DSG improves more than the 0.2s be in quoted. Sure it's just a figure but it's funny BWM choose to use Audi's figures, no.
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Tell me how you intend to measure this, then I'll tell what I'll wager. Or how about this: if it can proven that M-DCT always results in deceleration during shifting, then I will get a 6MT, otherwise I will get a DCT M3?
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Yes, sorry, I thought you meant a MT would not spin effortlessly in the Veyron. That probable misunderstanding produced my last insult. Sorry! You meant that a BMW-ish DCT in the Veyron with the surge/jerk as per my and enigmas views would not be sufficient to cause major traction problems, right? I think I agree with that. I suspect why they did not choose the option is the cars marketing goal of something very smooth and very driveable. |
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If I am right, there will be a sharp spike down between gear shifts. If you (and Swamp2) are right, the G curve will just decrease over time smoothly (as you run through the gears) and the G you would feel decreases as torque to the wheels decreases. Care to wager then?
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The more I read that the more I believe that the surge was engineered to provide as they say themselves 'truly sporting experience all of the time', no other reason.
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I also said I may test the DCT and love this surge, who knows but that wasn't the argument, the argument was always that some believe it is making a noticeable difference to the acceleration, why else would BMW included and I say it's there only for those SMG customers and nothing more. I wonder if the lateness of reviews starting to come about are down to finalising the characteristics/behave of the shifts. Maybe an eleventh hour rethink was performed, the gearbox was sampled by SMG customers and they didn't like the smoothest of the original setup. Who knows. |
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I think many have not read or have forgotten this BMW document. Some quotes below. Again I criticize BMW marketing about as much as any but let's look at what they say and until we know otherwise, take it at face value. They can be sued for false advertising if the facts are too blatantly incorrect. The quote that says shifts occur in milliseconds may be a target here...
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My counter yes or no? Considering you don't think there will be spikes, this should be a slam dunk win for you. Yes or no?
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Nope, that is not it. Read my posts and proposal for a bet. I am betting on little to no downwrd spike on leading edge of the shift. This is totally independent as to whether or not you feel the jerk on shifts.
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Don't sucker them too much swamp.
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When we first tried to agree to a bet, you backed away from your claims of near instantaneous shift times quickly. I don't think we can come to terms. Offer Footie "Double his IQ or no money back" see how much he wants to invest
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I would want to see a bet defined in the following terms.
Shift time = total time from when acceleration starts to drop during the gear change to when acceleration is back at or above the steady state for the next gear. Put in terms of the real world graph: Quote:
You guys pick an over/under number for that metric.
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