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This is good news - but i'm not so sure that a headline stating RS4 beats M3 would sell quite as many magazines as M3, the new King.
Still it gives us some hope - Seems like theCSL is the only one to really buy (unless DCT makes a real difference) |
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Steved, I didn't make my point. What I was trying to say and couldn't find the words for, M and Quattro now have two strings to their performance bow and the M3 is the bottom of BMW's two and the RS is at the top of Audi's.
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07-18-2007, 05:16 PM | #70 |
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Has BMW made a CSL anything other than the M3? How can that be considered two strings? Is there a CSL M5 or M6?
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Haven't you heard rumours of the M6 CSL? There's been spy-shots of an M5 at the 'Ring with a CFRP roof too.
It's two strings because the CSL in its three iterations has been above the usual M product. Same as the RS4 is above the S4.
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As someone else has already stated, unlike when the E46 M3 arrived in 2000/01 there is now considerably more choice from other manufacturers offering cars that are much closer to the philosophy that has appealed about M-cars. BMW will probably retain the high-ground in terms of ultimate driver orientation, but that's not what most customers buy, so the C63/RS4/RS5 etc offer a viable alternative where this didn't really exist before. It should be interesting to see how this drives BMW's development priorities as well as future models, but it does not leave the new M3 as any lesser car, just no longer 'clearly' head and shoulders above the competition. |
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But, sorry you're so disappointed in your "hero" car that you never planned on getting in the first place. |
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Well if anyone would like to suggest a car that matches my criteria then Ill be happy to consider it.....
400bhp plus/0-60 under 5 seconds type performance with suitable handling to go with it 4 seats Quality Marque £55000 upper limit Delivery by next summer 2 door coupe I can cruise comfortably on the motorway on 200-500 mile trips and feel good at the end I can give it the beans on country roads in North Yorkshire (and elsewhere) and enjoy myself New car, not used (I dont like hand me downs) Suggestions would be welcome, because Im damned if I can think of anything that comes close to the new M3. Steved, you know your stuff, any ideas? |
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What transmission was the Audi sporting?
The fact is that many of the members on this board get hypersensitive about criticisms of the car... which is understandable to some extent. But to another extent, these are things that we should be able to take in stride, and accept as meaningful observations about the car that might assist in our decisions to purchase the car, rather than immediately label them as outright mendacities.
Was this a direct comparison? Was audi's transmission also a manual, or was the audi sporting a DCT? This makes a substantial amount of difference
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The Audi they used was manual.
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Steved, this is exactly why I consider EVO as the ultimate auto authority, and I read everything else just to simply pass the time. The depth of EVO's reporting is so far ahead of everything else out there. It is consistent and above all, responsible, which means you call it how you see it. If it is rubbish, then you say it is rubbish. No sugar coating, which means it must atleast be respected. (I just wish you guys were located in the U.S. so I didn't have to pay $160 for my subscription )
I have no doubt that your road test/comparison will report the most accurate findings, especially as how they relate to the "thrill of driving", which after all, is the reason why we buy sports cars. Am I crazy or simply the only person that thinks the new M3 will be more accurately pitted against a Porsche 911?? The RS4 is inherently such a different car from the M3, I personally find the comparison almost unecessary. If Mitsubishi EVO's and Subaru Impreza's cost 20K more, we would never even hear about the RS4 because it would be competing against those AWD cars. In my opinion, it's Audi who has created a car in the RS4 which seems to be the one very much alone in true competition, so we have to find the closest things to it...the M3. I have not lost one minute of sleep reading all this babble about how the RS4 is better than the M3. Keep the faith people, I've got a feeling all this forum negativity will utterly disappear upon test-drives of the new M3. Quote:
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M6 CSL is set to make its appearance shortly and has been in development for some time. From what i understand it will pull another 50 hp, lowered weight, and also sport the debut of the DCT transmission. The details are still speculative though.
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Sounds like a beast.
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Problem is, Quattro gmbh does not make the S4, they have nothing to do with it. The Quattro made cars are the RS cars only.
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Nice
Excellent post. I missed that wonderful cover story. Quadruple !
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Yes it's obvious and that is what I was getting at.
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1. Can't Read 2. Can't Comprehend 3. See what they want to see 4. IGNORANT 5. Probably all of the above. The M6 lapped VIR faster than both the RS4 and the 335i. BTW, the M6 KILLED your pride and joy the RS4 by way over 1 second. Geesh... Can you read? I have no problems with people that state facts to argue. But when jack-arses start misquoting data and figures to prove a point... well... it's quite pathetic to LIE and DECEIVE when the true numbers state otherwise: RS4 - 3:11.2 M6 - 3:10.0 Some people...........
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I am sure they had their share of grief from bmw fanboiz when the RS4 was released. We need to create a forum for bmw and audi fanboiz to duke it out on their own time and turf.
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"My Quattro got me outta a ditch today" "My Quattro really helps in the snow... Go Audi!" "How do I disable the front wheels from spinning? Is there a fuse?" "M3 Kill - I just killed a Bimmer in the rain today... woohoo!" "My Quattro is sucking the life outta my engine at speeds above 25 MPH, Help?!?"
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hilarious...
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I didn't know that. Thanks for the clarification.
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