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go race one in your m3 bro
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11-15-2009, 08:06 PM | #3 |
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The current 997 Carrera is faster, especially w/PDK.
Here's the S, which still has a large HP deficit to the M3, AND this M3 is tuned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33BHlQHlkFE |
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^^ Does it even make sense that 80 more miles will have any positive/negative effect on your engine?
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11-15-2009, 09:16 PM | #6 |
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Porsche quotes: 911 Carrera S PDK 4.3s 0-60, ~3220 lbs weight
BMW quote: M3 DCT 4.5s 0-60, ~3750 lbs weight The cars are close enough so that a difference is drivers is much more important. A single driver, equally comfortable with both cars, should be faster with a 911. M5board videos don't really mean much for cars that are this close as there are always different drivers involved. My personal experience on track has been in favor of the M3 (bone stock). Here is a sample. Various 911s moving over at 0:35, 2:28, 5:56 (turbo). This is not because the M3 is the faster car, but because the drivers have different levels of experience. BTW I am not even going nearly as fast as the car can go (low 1:50s). Also, 4 doors and 5 seats are nice to have. |
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11-15-2009, 09:52 PM | #7 |
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In this video they got PDK C2S down to 11.77s while C2 was 12.1s
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M3 is a great sporty sedan. Great performance with practicality and value. I'll probably get the current generation M3 next. But it's no 911. |
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11-16-2009, 04:53 AM | #10 |
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The 997C2S Mk2 is not only quicker but it's comfortably quicker, PDK only improves on an already widening gap that the manual will be producing over the M3.
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So, even less weight, PDK, etc. |
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11-16-2009, 11:25 AM | #13 |
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Although a single test is not definitive (especially when the cars are so closely matched), the Car & Driver comparison test earlier this year showed the automatic-equipped base 911 and M3 to be near equals in acceleration, with identical 4.1 times to 60 and 9.9 to 100 mph. The Porsche starts pulling away at that point, arriving at 150 mph in 25.2 seconds vs 25.9 for the Bimmer. I assume that's because the Porsche pushes less air at speed, since the M3 does better on power to weight.
In the quarter mile, they both finish at 113 mph, with the Porsche ahead by around a car length at a 12.5 second ET vs 12.6 seconds for the M3. I am assuming that the Porsche gets most or even all of it's lead in the first 100 feet or so of the race, by dint of having around 13% more poundage over the drive wheels at the start. Forget the identical 0-60 and 0-100 mph numbers, since time to speed and time to distance are essentially unrelated. The Porsche gets the jump, and the bimmer holds on from there through a quarter mile. This particular 911 didn't have the Sport Chrono package, so figure it would be a little quicker if it did. Out on the road, the cars ought to be closer together than half past six, but I'd bet a nickel that the M3 would have a minor advantange at highway speeds. I admit I could lose that nickel, but I am resolute. 997S2? Whoa! There he goes, from any speed to any other speed. Bruce |
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11-16-2009, 11:30 AM | #14 | |
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A lot of twaddle about the 997 S2.
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11-16-2009, 01:57 PM | #15 |
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Against the standard 911, it's even.
Against a Carrera S, it's over. But it should be, how much more is the 911 in price...cough cough...Nissan GTR...cough. |
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11-16-2009, 03:58 PM | #16 |
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Porsche rates the horsepower at the wheels while BMW does it at the Crank
So thats the main reason why the m3 loses, because the Porsche is making the same or more whp than the m3 at hundreds of pounds lighter
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The 997.2 C2 would be a driver's race against the M3 (although I handed one its a$$ this weekend from about 50 up to 120 on the highway). The 997.2 C2S, especially with the PDK, would have no problems taking out an M3 with only bolt-ons.
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The older members here realize that this year's fastest car is next year's lunch meat, and that the most fun cars aren't necessarily the fastest. I think this forum has a lot of "passionate" younger members who are justifying their purchase to themselves as much as to anyone else.
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11-16-2009, 06:27 PM | #21 |
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my 997.2s cab top down was a fast as my m3 dct straightline
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