Traded my Bimmer in on a Hyundai...

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by NFS13

Why do you think a car at that weight ( 3390lbs ), with 306hp is still running 6.1 0-60? If you are going to "shit" all over 335's you are going to need to get around 450+ hp with the drive train losses the Hyundi has. Unless you start upgrading down below.
Damn, why does everyone think HP is the cure all?

I doubt it's powertrain losses so much as the overall power curve. The N54/55's engine has a broad torque spread and a solid horsepower band, despite dying above 6500rpm.

Peak power figures don't show the whole picture.

[NFS13]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

I doubt it's powertrain losses so much as the overall power curve. The N54/55's engine has a broad torque spread and a solid horsepower band, despite dying above 6500rpm.

Peak power figures don't show the whole picture.

Looking at the 3.8 dyno it looks like its just down on torque. The 335 & 3.8 dyno's look close across both bands. And both are underrated if you assume 18% in loss to the wheels. I don't understand the 1+ sec difference 0-60 though?

[ZZZZ]

I thought the longer 0-60 Genesis times were due to longer gearing to eek out fuel mileage and satisfy the EPA. Not due to a weak engine or heavy weight.

As far as I know the sedan and coupe share the same rear subframe and platform. So the Coupe should be okay with a little more power. (considering the Sedan can come with the optional 4.6-liter Tau V-8 engine.) If the driveshaft, bushings, rear trailing arms, and differential are up to the task... I don't know.)

Interesting that in Korea Genesis is a brand on its own. The manufacturer has Hyundai, Kia, and Genesis. Over here it's branded under Hyundai.

If you want to know what the Genesis competes against, ask the OP what he cross-shopped with. That is what the competition is for this car.

[MarkR171]

Originally Posted by ZZZZ

If you want to know what the Genesis competes against, ask the OP what he cross-shopped with. That is what the competition is for this car.

That's the competition, in the OP's eyes. To me, the competition is performance oriented cars at the same price range.

2.0T: Civic Si, GTi, Mazdaspeed 3, V6 Mustang, Mx-5, CooperS

3.8: 370z, STi, RX8, Mustang GT, 128i (135 possibly though it's a few k gap)

[Robert]

Originally Posted by NFS13

What I meant was, if you plan on going up 100hp ( Torque ? ) aftermarket, you need to consider other things like the transmission on back to the wheels. BMW and others have this margin built into the design. I wouldn't think Hyundi did considering the starting price of the car.

That's personal conjecture until you present hard facts. We can speculate here all day and at the end it's a waste of time. Need facts and numbers. Toyota, the econbox maker, must not have any margin built-in into its Supra engine?

Marketer knows people associate price point with quality and it's sad because we give them the power to play this game. My HPFP failed 3 times without any mods, where's BMW's fault tolerance there?

[NFS13]

Originally Posted by Robert

That's personal conjecture until you present hard facts. We can speculate here all day and at the end it's a waste of time. Need facts and numbers. Toyota, the econbox maker, must not have any margin built-in into its Supra engine?

Marketer knows people associate price point with quality and it's sad because we give them the power to play this game. My HPFP failed 3 times without any mods, where's BMW's fault tolerance there?

I did use the phase, 'I would think' so don't go crazy! And I said you should look into it, as I did with my BMW before I added more power. And to use a defective HPFP as an example is bizarre as it has nothing to do with anything

[Woodstock]

Originally Posted by Raine

It's definitely a head turner despite being a Hyundai. Also, that badge w/ the wings is a nice touch.

I have to give Hyundai credit for making good looking cars. At first, Hyundai copied Jaguar, then Mercedes, and Maybach. Now, they steal their designers.

[majin ssj eric]

If you guys will bother to check the link I provided earlier you will see that the Gen-coupe does NOT take 6.1 seconds to get to 60 mph. Here is the link again:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t_numbers.html

Hyundai Genesis 3.8 track:

0-60 ----------- 5.4 secs
1/4 mile -------- 14.2 secs @ 99.2 mph
lateral accel ---- .94g

Nothing wrong with those numbers for a 306 hp car...

[Robert]

Originally Posted by NFS13

I did use the phase, 'I would think' so don't go crazy! And I said you should look into it, as I did with my BMW before I added more power. And to use a defective HPFP as an example is bizarre as it has nothing to do with anything

It's meant to demonstrate how much extra thought engineers may give to a premium priced product price over a regular priced product, (insert sarcasm) or the lack there of.

[bdkevoIX]

Hyundai in Korea has been making good cars. It's just the imports in the states that have been crappy. (much like japan keeping all the good stuff for themselves.)

Now that Hyundai is focusing more on imports, the stats have been nothing but impressive. One of my friends has a 2.0t in white, and I agree with all the inputs so far.

The steering is tight, but feels a bit disconnected. Overall package is impressive for the price range.

[all8up]

My cousin has a track edition one. I agree the interior is nicer than expected. I've been reading up on mods for the car and they are really inexpensive to mod so it really is a good platform for modding (granted the rods and pistons are weak).
My only issues with the car:
somewhat of a rubbery shifter feel
engine does not eager at all at the limits

[RPM90]

Originally Posted by majin ssj eric

If you guys will bother to check the link I provided earlier you will see that the Gen-coupe does NOT take 6.1 seconds to get to 60 mph. Here is the link again:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t_numbers.html

Hyundai Genesis 3.8 track:

0-60 ----------- 5.4 secs
1/4 mile -------- 14.2 secs @ 99.2 mph
lateral accel ---- .94g

Nothing wrong with those numbers for a 306 hp car...

Some people just want to 'believe' what they want, and don't want to be confused with facts.

Those times aren't bad, but need to be quicker, especially the trap speed, which is an indication of HP, and the 3.8 has over 300hp. It should be better. Hopefully Hyundai will get the gearing right to improve performance over MPG.

Also, IIRC Hyundai claims that the 3.8 will put out better performance if higher octane is used. It's being promoted at 306hp with 'regular' fuel.
Higher octane will bump that and torque as well.
According to your link it looks like they used regular as well, meaning 87 octane. I wonder what it would do with 93 if the info is correct?
Might be a 5.1 and easily over 100mph trap. Then it's very worthy.

The handling has been praised by most pro reviews. This is performance oriented vehicle, and for a serious 1st try, Hyundai has done amazingly well. Hopefully a model refresh will see better gear ratios and better breathing and remaps to make it stand out even more.