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04-26-2011, 02:59 PM | #23 | |
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04-26-2011, 03:22 PM | #24 |
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Whether 359M wheels are forged or not, who cares? It's not like we're driving those wheels in 24-hour endurance races. And, even then...
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I personally like the OEM 18s but you sound like the only thing holding you back is ride quality, that being the case you might as well just get the 220s or the 359s and be done with it
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04-26-2011, 03:33 PM | #26 |
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It seems a few people do, lol. I am just stating a fact "they are forged". This forum has enough options. Yes everyone has one. I just dislike misinformation. They is too much wrong information on here. You repeat something enough and it becomes fact.
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BUT, it's something you get used to pretty quickly and, after 6 months, I don't consider the ride quality rough or harsh. And, yeah, that silver finish on the new 18"s is meh. I personally don't like the 19" 220M wheels, but that's obviously an option. Or, perhaps you can powdercoat the 18"? Or, just get whichever wheels are cheaper and put in aftermarket wheels? Or, purchase a set of ZCP wheels from FS threads on this forum?
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04-26-2011, 03:45 PM | #28 |
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They are not forged, there is a thread around here somewhere or in the wheel forum that details it. Like the prior ZCP/CSL wheels were not forged either, but "spun cast".
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Thanks guys....
I pulled the trigger and changed my order this morning, three weeks before my ED pickup. I needed that one little extra push, so thanks; I definitely feel like I made the right decision. Incidentally, I had already ordered EDC. |
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I can't stand the 19's. I had 18's and tried 19's but then went back after 1,000 miles. The roads in northern CA really beat up the car and I wanted the extra sidewall compliance to save the suspension and to have a much better ride.
Some people can't tell but I certainly can. Much happier now that I've gone back to 18's. I even ordered aftermarket forged 18's with Michelin Pilot Super Sports. Now this is the perfect setup for me! |
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04-26-2011, 07:43 PM | #33 | |
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If you buy 18's and don't want/need to use them, you will need to get both 19" wheels and 19" tires later on. Also, how much of a market do you think there is for the 18" wheels if you think you want to sell them? Good wheels in the aftermarket will be anywhere from $500-1500 each. Tires will be $300-400 each. With mounting, balancing, shipping, you are looking at $3k-$8k or more. By comparison, the 19" factory options are a huge bargain, and both styles look great.
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Congrats! Have a great trip.
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Nobody is "lying" here (FFS), the topic has been debated at length. Believe what you want.They're great looking wheels and I am sure they are strong enough for anything somebody here will do with them on the street or track.
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Awesome! Post pictures when you get your M!
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I thought it was already proven the ZCP wheels are not forged
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04-27-2011, 01:00 AM | #39 |
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They are not forged. I was confused too, I frequently peruse the 2011 brochure.
here is a post from another M3 forum, not sure if I'm allowed to link it but PM me for the link if you need to verify. Member: Cleveland "Uh oh, not this again... Not sure how all these silly rumors get started, but I can assure you the Competition wheels wheels ARE NOT FORGED. No idea where you got that impression, or who told you they were Forged? Ironically, people were saying the E46 M3 CSL wheels were Forged as well. (when they first came out) They aren't Forged either. (they're also Spun Cast) That little argument went on foir quite a while, because some BMW North America employee had mistakenly put that little detail in one of their public press releases. (which led to widespread confusion among owners) The Style 359 Competition package wheels are manufactured in Germany, and they are Spun Cast Aluminum. (or what is commonly referred to within the wheel industry as flow forming) The easiest way to prove this fact to the casual BMW enthusiast (who doesn't have a really deep understanding of all the different wheel manufacturing technologies), is to point out the price disparity between Forged wheels and Cast wheels. (especially in the case of BMW factory wheels) The 19" Spun Cast Competition wheels retail for about $600 bucks each, and the Forged OEM 19" wheels list for $900-950 each. That price disparity, is the direct result of extensive machining & higher tooling costs necessary to manufacture a Forged wheel. (fact) In most cases, the price disparity between Cast and Forged wheels is even larger than the BMW OEM wheel example listed above. It's pretty common knowledge within the wheel industry, that it's much cheaper (per unit) to build a Flow Formed CAST wheel than a FORGED one. And that's why almost all OEM wheels are either gravity Cast or Spun Cast. (Flow Formed) It's a cost cutting move, to keep their overall manufacturing costs down. Very few automotive manufacturers are still building Forged OEM factory wheels. A conservative ratio of Cast vs. Forged OEM wheel options, would be 20:1 in favor of CAST wheels. So it's not even close in reality. BMW is one of the rare companies still building Forged wheels for some of their higher end models. Also take note that BMW will LIST whether a wheel is forged or not in their internal parts system. (listed below) The E90/92/93 M3 Style 220 19" Forged wheel, is listed as FORGED in the parts catalog (which it is), while Style 359 19" Competition wheel is obviously not listed as Forged. (because it's not) FYI: Non-Forged (Cast) BMW OEM wheels are always listed as "alloy wheel" "alloy rim", or "light alloy wheel" or "light alloy rim". Forged OEM 19" wheel http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...14&hg=36&fg=15 Spun Cast OEM 19" Competition wheel http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...83&hg=36&fg=15 Pricing for 19" Competition wheel: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-24...9x9-front.aspx I hope this post puts all this 'forged' nonsense to rest. " |
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LMB/Cleveland chiming in. Thanks for posting, I suppose that is all a bunch of lies too.
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18 are much more comfortable
I felt more able to control the car with 18s than 19s With the 18s I could place the car exactly where I wanted With the 19s, less so Plus, and this is a biggie, I have a lore more interior rattles now after having the 19s for about 9 months They definitely send more vibration into the car And before all the fans of 19s start to chime in I have 255/35 and 275/35, so I have probably the biggest sidewalk you can fit on 19s And I had the 245/35 265/5 earlier Same thing After evey bump, the car takes a while before it's composed again With th 18s over the same route, I could recover from harsh bumps much quicker Just bought the Apex arc-8 in 18, and going back to 18s Expect some PS2s in 255/35 275/35 for sal soon
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