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06-11-2012, 09:57 PM | #1 |
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A video from Big Willow on Saturday.
. And, some photos. .
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Looks like a great time. Your car seems pretty loose - curious what mods/tires/suspension you have?
Good photos, too, that Ford GT looks like a step back in time in the Gulf livery.
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Ground Control sleeve kit (over ZCP dampers) with 450f/600r springs, -4.0f/-2.2r camber, 275/35/18 R-S3 on Apex 18x10 wheels. I think may be I'll go 295 at the rear. Every time I try to go around corners fast, my car slides (gettin' lots of practice on counter-steering as a result).
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Been waiting for someone to post pictures! Thanks man.
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Might I offer a few suggestions that may drop a couple of seconds from your time. Not trying to pick anything apart, just done a lot of instruction with BMW on this track . Just here to help as I was in the high 1:30s at one point.
Your hands need to be at the 9 - 3 position permanently. Shuffle steering causes the brain to lose relativity of where straight is when unwinding the wheel on exit. Also, be sure to relax your fingers...tight grip of the wheel does not let us feel the wheel's feedback. Smooth inputs! In turn 2, you want to be one cars width off of the inner edge. Too close in causes all kinds of issues with understeer to reach the cornerworker apex at the end. Additionally, once you have turned the wheel, you want to keep it held in that position for the entire turn. Once the wheel is set at the beginning of the turn, you use the gas pedal to modulate vehicle position and apex planning...(less gas brings you in-more gas pushes you out). In 3, not sure if you had downshifted to 2nd gear and you had major traction issues...but the steering wheel went crazy. Even though it seems underpowered, I always only go to 3rd for smooth traction reasons. Smooth steering inputs are what keeps the car so well balanced. In 5, I like to only apex the second apex (cone+grate) in this heavy of a car. If you stay center-left after the downhill braking, you can reach the second apex cone much easier which allows you to straighten the car out earlier for 6. In 8, it isnt really even a turn if you enter mid track and stay mid-inner. That inside position is bumpy as hell and can sometimes unsettle the car when it comes time for the braking zone before 9. In 9, taking such a shallow approach throws all of your exit speed to the left instead of straight down the straightaway. Try a more outside left edge approach and just before the last red mark point the car into the apex nice and late. I think I saw you out there on some of my cooldown laps, if you were the black sedan. I was the white coupe M3 GURU plate. |
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Re: using gas to steer, that's a bit of a scary proposition at that speed, but actually, at first lap of the day, the car did do mild 4-wheel drift outward when I modulated/increased the throttle at a bit past the mid-point of the turn. It was the usual amount of gas increase which normally didn't cause that before, so I thought perhaps it was because the tires weren't warmed up yet. In any case, I will focus on trying that next time. Quote:
I'm not sure how you're able to take that corner in DCT 3rd gear and not experience oversteers. You must be very gentle on the gas there? As I got myself off of MDM permanently 4 track days ago, these (which gear in various corners, etc) are some of the experiments I find myself doing. Quote:
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I witness that type of turning in many other corners (BW & other tracks) too. And, my question is, to execute that kind of sharp turn, don't you have to bleed off a lot of speed? And, if you do bleed off speed, you're starting the next straightaway at lower speed. Yeah, black sedan.
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http://sportscarforums.com/f7/steeri...ues-32259.html And another: http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Steering_techniques |
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Nice driving, video and editing. Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice does... Looking good
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Jeesus, I can't keep up w/ you guys and the track time!!! Any job openings?? Great driving overall. So you were consistently 3 seconds slower without mdm? Interesting. Just a suggestion to kill the oversteer through 3, going deeper into the corner before turning in will lead to the car cresting the hill in a straighter line. If your still pulling lateral g over the crest even a fwd car will get sideways. Great video Tanner Foust! I'm so jealous of the norcal trip.
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^Yeah, 10-4 re: going deeper into corner before turning.
Re: NorCal trip, wish you could join us. The stars have lined up. It's going to be epic. For those who are wondering, a bunch of us SoCal people are doing Thunderhill (Fri), Infineon (Sat) & Laguna Seca (Sun). Hope our cars & tires hold up, lulz.
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What you're seeing, is that the INITIAL turn-in of those faster cars happen earlier, but at a slower pace. So the weight is allowed to transfer gradually and smoothly to the outside wheels, thus giving the outside FRONT wheel far more grip than say, were you to turn in quickly and sharply. The end result is they can make a much "sharper" turn, or a turn that requires more steering input, while maintaining a superior entry speed as opposed to not using all of your front end's available grip while using up more than you've got in the rear.
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This is going to be a challenge to practice & get it right.
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Your hands are much faster than in the BW vid you posted with the spins.
The line could be better. I'm still learning that track, and turn 9 in particular. I took a ride with an instructor and he was flat on the floor way before the apex at 9. I didn't have the balls for it. It's probably what HACK is talking about with smooth but sharp turn in, so you can get on the gas much earlier, though it didn't seem that sharp to me. I just don't like how you're braking and turning entering 9. HACK, will there be a 2 day Willow event this year? I know the CCA got some crappy weekends after dropping off for a year. .
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The two day weekend will either be at WSIR or Spring Mountain. The big question is if the Spring Mountain expansion plan will be completed on time. Currently I'm leaning toward WSIR the first weekend of December. Luckily I don't have to make a decision for a few more months.
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How'd the drive up today go? And hey if you can remember, do you know what that Boxster Spyder was running? My dad had one and sold it before letting me get it on the track So I'm extremely curious as to what they can do.
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