▀▄ eas - e92 LED Angel Eye progress information

[BMW_03]

Originally Posted by nlpamg

+1

I'll have to disagree. I had an opportunity to see this in person yesterday and they look really good, you can see both rings evenly lit, but wait until you see them with the HID's on, that's when they're at their best, they don't dim and you can still see both rings really bright and match the HID color too.

[J08M3]

Originally Posted by mshao825

The inner ring does not overpower the outer ring because it's barely even lit (especially the passenger's side)! Your pics earlier looked a lot better...

Yep... my thoughts exactly. Seems no LEDs are bright enough to really work

[tampabayboy]

I see that everyone is getting excited about another LED kit. If it is anything like the one i purchased about 2 months ago, you're going to be very disappointed once you get it installed. If there is something special about this LED kit, then I would be curious as to what makes it so much brighter.

Here are some pictures, I'll let you make your own decision.

Picture 1.

This is a picture of the LEDs at about 0800 in the morning. I had installed them the night before and this was the first time I had seen them in day light. I thought to myself, "these things rock!" I thought that everyone that told me the LEDs were not bright were full of doodoo.

Picture 2.

This is a picture the same morning at about 0930. I drove to work, then came out later to see if they were visible once it got brighter. This is how they looked. This is when I realized that the LEDs were in fact doodoo.

Picture 3.

This is a picture of the HID kit at about 1730. Can you see a difference in brightness?

I'm not here to bash or promote anyone's product, however, I am trying to prevent others from spending $200 on an LED solution that is not going to be bright during the day.

So, what is different about this kit that makes it so much brighter than any other LED solution?

[nlpamg]

I finally saw an HID angel eye kit today in real life. the inners are TOO bright and get washed out.

[tampabayboy]

As with anything, it's a matter of opinion. I do not think the inner ring is too bright although the picture above looks like it is. This is due to my cheap point and shoot camera. In real life, the inner ring is well defined. These are 8k bulbs.

I just wanted to show some pics and let people make their own decision. I'm sure some will say that these are too bright for their taste.

Originally Posted by nlpamg

I finally saw an HID angel eye kit today in real life. the inners are TOO bright and get washed out.

[david @ eas]

The only way to really tell if you feel they're too bright in any case, is to see them in person. We've got open doors to anyone who wants to come by and see them on Brandon's car in person to make their own decision.

tampabayboy puts it in the best way, "As with anything, it's a matter of opinion."

[LemansE82]

Originally Posted by jurrian @ eas

The only way to really tell if you feel they're too bright in any case, is to see them in person. We've got open doors to anyone who wants to come by and see them on Brandon's car in person to make their own decision.

tampabayboy puts it in the best way, "As with anything, it's a matter of opinion."

Why the lack of info on this?

Price, pic of the led, something....

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by tampabayboy

I see that everyone is getting excited about another LED kit. If it is anything like the one i purchased about 2 months ago, you're going to be very disappointed once you get it installed. If there is something special about this LED kit, then I would be curious as to what makes it so much brighter.

Great post/pics/insight. Thanks so much. Can you just confirm that the observed differences in the pictures closely match you visual impressions of the relative brightness?

[DevJ]

i'll still buy it

[M3_LIN]

more info, price and eta?

Ed Lin

[doba_s]

Originally Posted by J08M3

Yep... my thoughts exactly. Seems no LEDs are bright enough to really work

[tom @ eas]

Sorry for the lack of updates, I'm currently in Taipei at the moment at AMPA with some business associates and will be returning shortly.

First moment of discussion - daytime pictures.

The LEDs being used are an SMT LED 5500K equivalent which give off a bright white light, unfortunately - it can be a bit hard to catch in photos. What we do not want to do is digitally enhance the photos (ie: photoshop) since this is not a true indicator of what they look like in person.

Those in the SoCal area are more than welcome to stop by and see the vehicles in person.

There have been a LOT of contenders in the Angel Eyes for coming up with a possible solution - most of them were failures. And don't even get me going on GP Thunders. There's a reason why we haven't offered anything in the past - simply because there was better coming in the near future, which is about here.

Here's a diagram of the fiber path used in the e92 setup:



The inner lamp will always get a direct shot from the bulb (H8). However, the outer projector will always be weaker due to the travel path needed in the fiber lines to illuminate the ring. This is why the outer rings are always dimmer than the inner.

All the latest and greatest bulbs on the market will not correct this design. This HID kits are interesting as they use a very high color temperature, reducing the lumen output in order to illuminate the rings. Unfortunately - this gives a very blue color, which is not what we're looking for. Also - HIDs run at very high temperatures. These headlamps are by no means cheap to replace.

Voltage Requirements:

E9x M3 headlights are very sensitive to voltage and can give off errors if the proper resistance is not detected as what the system would expect from a H8 bulb - a reason to why "resistor packs" are required on the HID setups. LED systems use a driver pack, which will be integrated into the system to keep these errors from appearing.

System uses very little power and is double the output (10W) than most kits with no flickering experienced from the vehicle's bulbcheck system

Durability Testing:

We have had 4 vehicles in testing since late December with no errors produced. One car you haven't seen would be our Project1 from the 1addicts forums:



We're about as excited as you are.

Things to expect:

- 5500-6000K temperature for a bright, white light.
- Easy 10-minute installation
- 100% Plug and Play, without the need for wire splicing, tapping or additional wire harnesses
- OEM-like integration
- Low heat output, unlike colored bulbs or HID kits

There's no need to complicate a mod that should be relatively simple on the end-user's side.

More to follow.

[jdmish]

any word on a release date?

[montreal red]

sounds promising... hope its not another over hyped product like the racing dash leds...

[booforty]

Very interested to see how this product develops....

[MrHarris]

I may stop by sometime Tom and check this out at in person.

[tom @ eas]

Originally Posted by jdmish

any word on a release date?

They're all ready to go - just finishing up final details when I return.

We'll post new details on purchasing soon.

[DevJ]

is there any way you can hold one for me.. I know these will go fast.

[SlammedR8]

sounds good,

price would be nice now!

[kmarei]

i'd guess at least 200

[tampabayboy]

Originally Posted by swamp2

Great post/pics/insight. Thanks so much. Can you just confirm that the observed differences in the pictures closely match you visual impressions of the relative brightness?

The pictures of the LEDs are very accurate. At around 1100, you could not even tell the LEDs were on.

For me, the point is to be able to see the angel eyes during the day. Once it starts getting dark, you headlights turn on and the angel eyes are not important.

[tom @ eas]

Today has arrived and kits are shipping, official release here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...77#post4953977