Mustang Gt350

[Sered]

Originally Posted by Ezio

I expect the gt to have m4 performance

I don't think it will. Not the GT anyway. The M4 is making 500hp bone stock and so unless the GT is also crazy underrated, then in a straightline the GT will get its ass handed to it. Handling wise, I'm expecting it to be as good as the M4 with the track pack. I think the GT350 and GT350R are where the real M3/M4 comparisons can be made.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Sered

I don't think it will. Not the GT anyway. The M4 is making 500hp bone stock and so unless the GT is also crazy underrated, then in a straightline the GT will get its ass handed to it. Handling wise, I'm expecting it to be as good as the M4 with the track pack. I think the GT350 and GT350R are where the real M3/M4 comparisons can be made.

theres no way the M4 is making 500HP, maybe 470BHP.

Its looking like the GT will has less power though, and weigh more. So chances are you are right. Personally i still think the GT will be able to hang with the M4 on the track.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Ezio

theres no way the M4 is making 500HP, maybe 470BHP.

Its looking like the GT will has less power though, and weigh more. So chances are you are right. Personally i still think the GT will be able to hang with the M4 on the track.

I'm with Easy_E on this one too. 470 tops! If I agree with you again man, I'm going to assume that hell froze over and unicorns exist.

[///M3Owner]

Originally Posted by Ezio

I expect the gt to have m4 performance

Oh hell yeah, haha time to go back to muscle?

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by ///M3Owner

Oh hell yeah, haha time to go back to muscle?

Well they already make "muslce cars" that offer equal or more performance. So performance alone is not enough to win me over. I am looking for styling, interior "feel", engine etc..

I do like the new mustang interior though. I probably wouldnt go for GT though. So i am waiting to see what the GT500/350 has to offer. right now i am looking/waiting for C63 AMG, CTS-v, Z06, mustang.

[mkoesel]

I saw that - nice numbers on the I4 EB. It's going to be interesting to see how the engine lineup evolves over the life of the car. I think the 2.7L and 3.5L Ecoboost V6 engines would make sense in some markets as alternatives to the naturally aspirated V8 since they want it to be a global car.

What is the outlook for FI V8 engines? I think the 5.8L Supercharged "Trinity" V8 is gone for good (right?), but are they going to do either a supercharged or turbocharged V8 from the factory? Or is that up to Roush, Saleen, etc. to cover?

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

BTW guys..Ford just released power figures for the 2015 Mustang..


5.0L 435hp/400tq
3.7L 300hp/280tq
2.3L Ecoboost 310hp/320tq


http://www.svtperformance.com/?p=3125

[Sered]

Originally Posted by Ezio

theres no way the M4 is making 500HP, maybe 470BHP.

Its looking like the GT will has less power though, and weigh more. So chances are you are right. Personally i still think the GT will be able to hang with the M4 on the track.

It consistently dynos ~420-425whp. At just 15% drivetrain loss (the DCT is higher than this) that is 494-500hp. Your 470 assumption assumes a 8-9% drivetrain loss. FFS, it trapped 118 when BMS ran it and C&D trapped 119 (this is 5-6mph more than the best times of the E9X M3), an easy 50hp difference.

Even by the HP = (race-weight * trap^3)/234^3 says its making around 500hp

And what makes you think the GT will hang with the M4 on the track? Magical fairy dust? We'll see how the GT does this time, but the E9X's big problem was power under the curve. Both the 5.0 and M3 made similar power but the 5.0 made it everywhere whereas the BMW was very peaky and required a DCT to get good #s out of it. Now the situation is reversed, the F8X has gobs of power everywhere and the 5.0 is more peaky comparatively speaking. They may handle similar, but on the track the huge power differential and superior transmission of the M4 will make a big difference.

[Sered]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

What is the outlook for FI V8 engines? I think the 5.8L Supercharged "Trinity" V8 is gone for good (right?), but are they going to do either a supercharged or turbocharged V8 from the factory? Or is that up to Roush, Saleen, etc. to cover?

The 5.2L 'Voodoo' motor supposedly has two variations, the N/A version going into the GT350 and the FI version going into the GT500. Expect more power than Trinity as that was based on the old modular motor, not the Coyote.

And Steeda, Rousch, and Saleen are all releasing blown versions I'm sure. Saleen may even do a track version car based on their statements and previous success with the S7.

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by Sered

It consistently dynos ~420-425whp. At just 15% drivetrain loss (the DCT is higher than this) that is 494-500hp. Your 470 assumption assumes a 8-9% drivetrain loss. FFS, it trapped 118 when BMS ran it and C&D trapped 119 (this is 5-6mph more than the best times of the E9X M3), an easy 50hp difference.

Even by the HP = (race-weight * trap^3)/234^3 says its making around 500hp

And what makes you think the GT will hang with the M4 on the track? Magical fairy dust? We'll see how the GT does this time, but the E9X's big problem was power under the curve. Both the 5.0 and M3 made similar power but the 5.0 made it everywhere whereas the BMW was very peaky and required a DCT to get good #s out of it. Now the situation is reversed, the F8X has gobs of power everywhere and the 5.0 is more peaky comparatively speaking. They may handle similar, but on the track the huge power differential and superior transmission of the M4 will make a big difference.

M4s make 410whp SAE. 425 STD.

The M4s torque curve almost overlays identically with the 5.0L Coyote. With the 2015 Mustang making 15 more horsepower, I think the M4 will be a little higher but not much over the Mustang. Vs the Coyote making ~30whp more than the S65. I'm not sure where you got the idea of the new 5.0 being more peaky from...?

I'll still probably give it to the M4 but at almost half the price, the 2015 Mustang will probably be dangerously close in performance with its 53/47 weight distribution (within 1% of the M4) and new IRS.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Sered

It consistently dynos ~420-425whp. At just 15% drivetrain loss (the DCT is higher than this) that is 494-500hp. Your 470 assumption assumes a 8-9% drivetrain loss. FFS, it trapped 118 when BMS ran it and C&D trapped 119 (this is 5-6mph more than the best times of the E9X M3), an easy 50hp difference.

Even by the HP = (race-weight * trap^3)/234^3 says its making around 500hp

And what makes you think the GT will hang with the M4 on the track? Magical fairy dust? We'll see how the GT does this time, but the E9X's big problem was power under the curve. Both the 5.0 and M3 made similar power but the 5.0 made it everywhere whereas the BMW was very peaky and required a DCT to get good #s out of it. Now the situation is reversed, the F8X has gobs of power everywhere and the 5.0 is more peaky comparatively speaking. They may handle similar, but on the track the huge power differential and superior transmission of the M4 will make a big difference.

I guess i don't like using dyno numbers. I agree its underrated, i just find it hard to believe BMW underrated it by 80BHP. It also doesn't need to have 500BHP to kick ass.


I honesty have stopped looking at all the stats of cars on paper to predict how fast it will be. I mean even looking at the M4, its underrated. You cant even go by on paper information. A 4800 pound GTR with 545HP puts down better lap times, and drag times that you would think. So yes i think fairly dust is what will make it keep up.

[sgrinavi]

looks like the 15 gained a little weight

Originally Posted by JarStang;66353@Mustang6G
The 2015 Mustang's official horsepower/torque figures have finally been released by Ford!

3.7L V6
300 HP / 280 LB-FT (on 93 octane) (down from 305 HP of 2014 S197)
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Manual curb weight: 3526 lbs (+30 lbs increase over 2014 S197)
Automatic curb weight: 3530 lbs (+12 lbs increase over 2014 S197)

2.3L EcoBoost -- 310 HP / 320 LB-FT (on 93 octane)
Twin-scroll turbo—the first ever used on a Ford
Compression ratio: 10.5:1
Manual curb weight: 3532 lbs
Automatic curb weight: 3524 lbs

5.0L V8
435 HP / 400 LB-FT (on 93 octane) (up from 420 HP / 390 LB-FT of 2014 S197)
Compression ratio: 11:1
Manual curb weight: 3705 lbs (+87 lbs over 2014 S197)
Automatic curb weight: 3729 lbs (+54 lbs over 2014 S197)

[Petros]

Originally Posted by Ezio

. A 4800 pound GTR with 545HP puts down better lap times, and drag times that you would think. .

A GTR is 3800 lb, which is actually not that bad considering the AWD system.

[Petros]

Originally Posted by Sered

I don't think it will. Not the GT anyway. The M4 is making 500hp bone stock and so unless the GT is also crazy underrated, then in a straightline the GT will get its ass handed to it. Handling wise, I'm expecting it to be as good as the M4 with the track pack. I think the GT350 and GT350R are where the real M3/M4 comparisons can be made.

I agree. The old GT was on par with the E9x M3. I think the new GT will slot somewhere between the E9x and F8x M3. The extra weight gain will offset some of the power bump.

[LarThaL]

Originally Posted by Sered

I don't think it will. Not the GT anyway. The M4 is making 500hp bone stock and so unless the GT is also crazy underrated, then in a straightline the GT will get its ass handed to it. Handling wise, I'm expecting it to be as good as the M4 with the track pack. I think the GT350 and GT350R are where the real M3/M4 comparisons can be made.

Where are you getting this from? No way it is making anything close to this. My 4400lb Audi S6 is rated at 420 but actually makes around 480. Even in stock mode, it pulls harder than the M4.

[INNOVATE_1]

Great time to be an enthusiast regardless of the back n forth..

[Leonardo629]

guys guys, the new M3/M4 is underrated from the factory, no doubt about that...but due to the carbon fiber shaft, more and immediate power is able to transfer to the ground. It's M Division's way of reducing turbo lag further, and the drive-train rubs less engine power. So I don't think the new M3/M4 is making 500hp, but more like 460~470hp.

Also, I tend to vote with my hard earned dollars when it comes to not buying inferior products from GM/Chrysler/Ford ...seriously...they should've disappeared back in 2009. I don't think anyone is still using BlackBerry right? Except Obama.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Leonardo629

guys guys, the new M3/M4 is underrated from the factory, no doubt about that...but due to the carbon fiber shaft, more and immediate power is able to transfer to the ground. It's M Division's way of reducing turbo lag further, and the drive-train rubs less engine power. So I don't think the new M3/M4 is making 500hp, but more like 460~470hp.

Also, I tend to vote with my hard earned dollars when it comes to not buying inferior products from GM/Chrysler/Ford ...seriously...they should've disappeared back in 2009. I don't think anyone is still using BlackBerry right? Except Obama.

Ford didn't take a bailout, and why should they disappear? Competition is good for the breed. My biggest regret about Ford is I didn't buy their stock when it dropped to $1.43 a share I believe and now hovering near $18.00.

Dave

[Small Yellow]

Looks like the hood wasnt closed properly.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Ford didn't take a bailout, and why should they disappear? Competition is good for the breed. My biggest regret about Ford is I didn't buy their stock when it dropped to $1.43 a share I believe and now hovering near $18.00.

Dave

my dad made some money from ford

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Sered

The 5.2L 'Voodoo' motor supposedly has two variations, the N/A version going into the GT350 and the FI version going into the GT500.

Cool - thanks. I wonder if they are getting to 5.2L by using a bigger bore, a larger stroke, or both? I remember Ford used to sell a 5.3L "Cammer" back in the day that used the same bore size as the original 5.0L Cammer (which basically maxes out the block) but used a longer stroke. Maybe they are going to do something similar with the 5.2L, using the bore size of the Trinity instead of the Cammer (I.e. slightly smaller than the old Cammer since it's for a production car).

Expect more power than Trinity as that was based on the old modular motor, not the Coyote.

Yeah, although it used the tall-deck block and thus had a longer stroke giving it a displacement advantage. Granted that long stroke is no good for an N/A engine since it will limit revs. Seems to me that using the PWTA process they applied to the Trinity combined with the Coyote tech like VVT is the natural next step. I have to bet that's the plan. Should be a legendary engine - possibly one of the last great V8s from Ford if the EcoBoost V6 in the F150 and other trucks continues to steal sales from the V8.

[Dave07997S]

I have to say, if Ford does build this 500hp 8000+ rpm Voodoo 5.0L it may be enough compelling reason to get rid of the E92 M3, if everything else is there. From what I just read the GT350 may be a stripper like the Z28. I don't know, I'm getting to old to not have the refinement of the BMW.

Dave

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

I have to say, if Ford does build this 500hp 8000+ rpm Voodoo 5.0L it may be enough compelling reason to get rid of the E92 M3, if everything else is there. From what I just read the GT350 may be a stripper like the Z28. I don't know, I'm getting to old to not have the refinement of the BMW.

Dave

I am sub 25 years old and I would never want a car like a z/28. I want a fast and also be able to daily drive the car with it not being a hassle. I would be pretty upset if the gt350 is going to be like the z/28.