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07-01-2008, 08:49 AM | #1 |
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Interesting - previous MT link was to an editor's blog. Mostly glowing remarks from this latest review too. I found this interesting:
"With the DCT, the 414-hp M3 closes the straight-line performance gap to the sturm-und-drang 451-hp Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG." Exactly how many of us thought it would be. Hmm, now I sware I've read this article before, but I can't remember when/where. Weird. |
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Wow what a great review. I love my DCT.
Then throw in a few curves and bye-bye C63. The 4000 lb car can't keep up.
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07-01-2008, 10:26 AM | #7 |
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Great find, thanks for posting
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07-01-2008, 10:33 AM | #8 |
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It's a good read/review and mirrored my own opinions of the system. Whether you will ever see a 9 second dead or near it time from a M-DCT is debatable because 4.1s to 60mph is about as good as you will get IMO.
Whether it's more of a scalpel than the GTR is something I would seriously doubt. |
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07-01-2008, 10:46 AM | #9 |
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No mention of any lag time from paddle pull until shift? Either 1) they're butts aren't sensitive enough 2) they have it but don't want to report it or 3) it's not there or just not as bad as some reviewers have been saying.
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I love my DCT. Can't wait for the 1200 service so I don't have to let up at 5.5k....
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07-01-2008, 10:59 AM | #12 |
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Maybe that is the reason why MT is faster in 30 to 40 mph against the DCT. I can't wait to drive it this Saturday in Europe but running it in break-in mode.
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Nice read. Very typical the first "reviews" come out poor then we get the .
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Nice find - thanks! Damn, now I'm back to thinking of paying for DCT (DKG). Yet C&D were not so glowing ("M DCT is no doubt a technical marvel, but we don’t yet prefer it to a traditional manual."); the reviews for this tranny are all over the place like a dog's breakfast!
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also, significant delay from stop to go in automatic mode, no matter how hard you press the accelerator and even in sport plus setting(i.e. floor accelerator, hear click of accelerator hitting the floordboard, very short wait, wheels spin and car then goes). this is more annoying to me. less evident in manual mode. overall, still like dct. really hope software update fixes these annoying issues. |
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Tell me guys (the ones which hate this lag on start-off), do you find that the M-DCT behaves similar to a good automatic in this or something totally different. I know my time was brief but in that time I felt that in D mode the DCT behaved like an automatic from either a Merc or Jag or any other quality manufacturer you care to mention.
The whole objective of D-mode is to mimic an automatic and with this delay on take-off it's got it just right. Again the delay of shift is way over stated, I say try some other systems before dissing the M-DCT because I know I have driven quite a few and none have been as good as the M-DCT. Maybe Ferrari has it's new F430 Scud performing this exercise better but then it should do when you consider the cost difference. By all means knock the involvement differences between DCT and manual but as for the rest it's as good as you get. |
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In my mind, one of the main benefits of DCT is being able to pull off the perfect launch, the perfect downshift into a corner, the perfect upshift out of a corner every single time, and do so very quickly. While the guy in the 6MT next to you may have a lucky day 1 out of every 5 times. In a DCT equiped car you can be confident that you will hit between a 4.1sec and 4.3sec 0-60 time every single time by just holding your foot on the big pedal. While we all look at 1/4mi times reported by magazines and have dreams of achieving similar times, the reality is that most of us wont, especially in a 6MT. Achieving a great launch with manual tranny is very hard and equally frustrating and only gets worse the more power you try to put down. I think this is something that is overally ignored in these 6MT vs. DCT discussions. If you have never been to a 1/4mi track or never raced then prepare for a shock when you go to the track for the first time. Tenths of seconds add up quick for the novice track goer and you would be surprised how few mistakes you can make to add a full second onto a 1/4mi pass while rowing through the gears. I was both shocked and depressed the first few times I blasted down the quarter in my, at the time, new E36 M3. There is no coincidence that straight line combat is usually best executed in auto tranny equiped vehicles where the chance for driver error is significantly reduced. DCT is the future.... Sorry for the rant... Jason
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Footie I believe I read that you were also unable to replicate any "lag" in the throttle response.... Jason
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And in a manual, in a situation like this, you might have the car revved up a bit and begin letting the clutch out very close to the point of engagement even before you are ready to pull away. The DCT cannot do this since it would mean it would have to know that you are going for a quick take off. Otherwise launches would be jerky in general. The closest M-DCT can come I suppose is Launch Control but that will not be something you use in a case like this typically. Quote:
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