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Is this down-on-power car yet another retarded Nissan ploy, and does the fact that it still beat the Vette mean it's just another retarded Nissan ploy, this time in terms of suspension and tires? Quote:
Nissan says it was a stocker, and that they were disappointed in the initial 7:38 numbers with another stocker, so they came back. In regard to power, how do you account for the fact that nearly all of the tested cars tend to get outrun from a roll by Porsche Turbos and Z06s, starting with that initial test we saw by Edmunds? Yet anytime we see a track comparison, the GT-R tends to rule. Maybe you can answer this time? Credibility time, guy. Bruce |
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With car and driver I haven't bothered to even read it yet. I can tell you if indeed the GTR lapped faster, it must have been extremely MARGINAL at best. To that I can agree with you on the fact that the GTR is most certainly more consistent as a car due to all of its electronic aids and its transmission. On the other hand the Vette requires an experienced driver but even more, GOOD TIRES. If indeed the GTR won on the track against the z06, and it was underpowered as you say then i'd like to see a race with equal tires and i'm sure the results will be even closer. I don't recall edmunds testing the GTR against other cars directly on a roll. Sure the GTR is a nice car, but since you're credible on these forums, as you've professed to me before i'd also like to ask you a question. Why all these discrepancies in power and performance in all the GTR tests? 7:50 --- 157.79 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 480 PS/1750 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto 12/07)
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Either way, if you put down your money you should be confident in what you're going to get. Will it be a 600 HP ubermachine, or a 480 HP ultra-high performance car that is only an ubermachine on track - or even worse, a 430 HP pretty fast machine? Time will tell, I expect. Most likely, it'll be 480 HP cars that deliver everything promised, but this tremendous range in performance between test cars is very troubling. Lastly, were the Nurburgring cars ringers or not? Nissan says not, and I tend to believe them because they have so much to lose if they're found out. But still...7:29? Time will tell. Bruce |
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With this much power per litre the lag would be very noticeable, one example I remember was the EVO FQ400, OK it had 200hp per litre but the lag was awful. Maybe with more advancement in technology it will have improved but not to the level where someone wouldn't have said some pretty damning words about it.
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While I believe the GTR is a nice car, the 7:29 number is insane. I wonder how many laps they had to do to get that. I believe the Sportauto time was 7:50 or 7:55, their chief engineer got 7:44 and the manufacture's estimate is 7:35.... If the car did have <500 hp it wouln't make any sense it would be faster than say a GT3. http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073
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Truthfully i'm a ferrari, General Motors fan. Yet I also find the ZR1 time to be a little fast, outpacing a carrera GT, Zonda F, Koenigsegg CCR just seems like a little much. Maybe back when carrera , zonda, koensigg were tested ultimate lap time just wasn't the goal. Manufacturers most likely were only in search of good lap times not necessarily THE BEST, they didn't sit there like Nissan milking seconds by the week. Now a days it's all about who's got the fastest nring time. I'm sure the new magnetic ride suspension in the ZR1 can be adjusted and might be more fantastic then we know but it still is around 170hp and 700 pounds short of a CCX?
The name of the ride control system is Magnetic Selective Ride Control (MSRC). MSRC is provided by Delphi. The system uses two modes of control: Tour and Sport. The system offers standing start launch modifications. When launching the ZR1 from a standing start, the shocks are completely softened on launch and stiffened on rebound. The softened shocks on launch aid the ZR1 by allowing the center of gravity to shift. The ride control standing launch modifications are designed to minimize bounce.
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heh that's the older one, I'm hoping those two brothers make another video
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random stuff to feed the flames, because now its just good fun
http://picsorban.com/upload/gtrticle.jpg http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7...ngtr693my0.jpg from Corvette forum: Suaveat69 decent responses on this thread. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...&highlight=gtr
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This thread = Sour grapes personnified.
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Remember that Car & Driver test where they got the Nissan to trap at 124 mph in the quarter mile? (This was followed by two subsequent tests where another sample went 115 or so, and then the low-point 111 mph wounded car.) Well, the 124 mph figure is bogus. I went back to their test sheet, and apparently they corrected their trap speed by a factor of 1.041103, and the ET by .96084. As you are aware, they correct for a Car & Driver standard day, and since they tested out at Reno (at 4200 feet), they apparently applied those correction factors to the actual observed figures. BRAAAP! WRONG! THANK YOU FOR PLAYING! The GT-R can altitude-compensate with turbo boost. Combine that with the fact that the test conditions were at 44 degrees, and the revised quarter mile trap speed ought to be around 118 mph. That still computes to something over 520 HP, but it's a far cry from 600 or so. Furthermore, nobody knows how much difference the sophisticated launch control, any-wheels-you-need power transmission and Nissan's version of the DSG/DCT/DKG make. I personally believe that even though there's a weight penalty, the M3 DCT will show up as being both quicker and faster than the standard six-speed in the quarter mile. Since the six-speed cars tested so far tend to show at least as-advertised figures (and some have shown calculated power to be in the 430-450 HP range), the DCT cars will show up as being definitely underrated. As much as the Nissan? Don't know, but it'll be significant. Bruce Edit: PS - I didn't say "automatic", because that would jack you up on something completely beside the point in this context. I thunk about it, though. |
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Good use of appropriate terminology as well. I might be done complaining about other transmission taxonomy (well at least your choice). Cheers. |
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Thanks! Great observation. 124 mph on a 3800 pound car means 600 hp.
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