Top Gear on new M3! -10/10

Martl · 08-02-2007, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ILC32

"this is an engine that Ferrari would be proud of, except that Ferrari would never have managed to create an engine like this, because someone overdosing on industrial strength espresso would have gone out to buy a pack of cigarettes halfway through the build and forgotten to put the spark plugs in. This is an engine that is precision itself, tyrannical perfection. This is an engine that could only have come from Germany"

Hi,

greate writing, I fully agree

cncmastr · 08-02-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ksfrogman

Many diehard e46 M3 fans may not like the looks of the upcoming M3, but almost all respect its new V8.

I would imagine that is your car, if it is, it's sick! Nice work!

absoluteis350 · 08-02-2007, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Epacy

No Audi boys in here....Not even the self-proclaimed "un-biased" ones.

?? We're here.. whats your point? They gave the RS4 an awesome review too.

I expected the M3 to be great, being a coupe and lighter.. And I don't think anyone can seriously think its a shitty car. It has its flaws, already reported by many, but still remains an awesome car. What would I buy for daily driving? Based on very similar performance numbers, a RS4 (as pointed out by prior magazine articles). What would I buy for the track? A M3. Not a big deal nor a surprise really.. And since I spend more time in the real world than on the track, the RS4 is a 'better' car in my opinion.

Their performance figures are close enough that any real world (ie- non professional) matchups will come down to driver, not machine.

Epacy · 08-02-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by absoluteis350

?? We're here.. whats your point? They gave the RS4 an awesome review too.

I expected the M3 to be great, being a coupe and lighter.. And I don't think anyone can seriously think its a shitty car. It has its flaws, already reported by many, but still remains an awesome car. What would I buy for daily driving? Based on very similar performance numbers, a RS4 (as pointed out by prior magazine articles). What would I buy for the track? A M3. Not a big deal nor a surprise really.. And since I spend more time in the real world than on the track, the RS4 is a 'better' car in my opinion.

Their performance figures are close enough that any real world (ie- non professional) matchups will come down to driver, not machine.

ahhhh, how refreshing

Keto · 08-02-2007, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by absoluteis350

?? We're here.. whats your point? They gave the RS4 an awesome review too.

I expected the M3 to be great, being a coupe and lighter.. And I don't think anyone can seriously think its a shitty car. It has its flaws, already reported by many, but still remains an awesome car. What would I buy for daily driving? Based on very similar performance numbers, a RS4 (as pointed out by prior magazine articles). What would I buy for the track? A M3. Not a big deal nor a surprise really.. And since I spend more time in the real world than on the track, the RS4 is a 'better' car in my opinion.

Their performance figures are close enough that any real world (ie- non professional) matchups will come down to driver, not machine.

I can sleep easier knowing that you would buy another car for daily driving. I mean, who cares?

consolidated · 08-02-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by absoluteis350

?? We're here.. whats your point? They gave the RS4 an awesome review too.

I expected the M3 to be great, being a coupe and lighter.. And I don't think anyone can seriously think its a shitty car. It has its flaws, already reported by many, but still remains an awesome car. What would I buy for daily driving? Based on very similar performance numbers, a RS4 (as pointed out by prior magazine articles). What would I buy for the track? A M3. Not a big deal nor a surprise really.. And since I spend more time in the real world than on the track, the RS4 is a 'better' car in my opinion.

Their performance figures are close enough that any real world (ie- non professional) matchups will come down to driver, not machine.

Funny, how the debate turns to what makes a better "street car", like we're comparing a Lincoln to a Caterham. From the reviews, cept for the one, most applaud the M3's road manners, reinforcing the track it on Sunday and drive to work on Monday personality.

darkphantom · 08-02-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonmartin

1,655kg ? at least it's a good review but 3,648lbs isn't lightweight. The 335 weighs 3,571 what am I missing here? I thought it was supposed to be lighter?

Are you kidding me? The 335i has a TT 6-cylinder engine, and this MONSTER is a NA V8 - if you look at the weight difference it's only 77 pounds. If you're solely looking at weight...then note that the E92 has 414hp vs a 300hp 335i, as well as 0-60 time comparisons of 4.2 to 4.8-9ish.

I hope that clarifies something, if not.....

ILC32 · 08-02-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by consolidated

Funny, how the debate turns to what makes a better "street car", like we're comparing a Lincoln to a Caterham.

Good point!

NavNurs · 08-02-2007, 12:53 PM

We could debate anything...........perhaps an Escalade is a much better road car than the M? Certainly a bit heavier and not worth much on a track, but it can move a lot of stuff. Still, Epacy has a point. It was nice to hear from a car aficionado who isn't threatened that someone wouldn't want to drive what they drive.
BTW, anyone who drives an RS4 will always, every time win a discussion about who has had more time behind the wheel of their car. My M is probably still 8+ months away! I wish I could post to their forum the finer points of my driving experience!

Epacy · 08-02-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NavNurs

We could debate anything...........perhaps an Escalade is a much better road car than the M? Certainly a bit heavier and not worth much on a track, but it can move a lot of stuff. Still, Epacy has a point. It was nice to hear from a car aficionado who isn't threatened that someone wouldn't want to drive what they drive.
BTW, anyone who drives an RS4 will always, every time win a discussion about who has had more time behind the wheel of their car. My M is probably still 8+ months away! I wish I could post to their forum the finer points of my driving experience!

You didn't notice the rolling eyes?

NavNurs · 08-02-2007, 01:48 PM

Clearly not.

It is odd I thought you had dropped that abrasive nature of yours for a moment.

My bad.

Jonmartin · 08-02-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by darkphantom

Are you kidding me? The 335i has a TT 6-cylinder engine, and this MONSTER is a NA V8 - if you look at the weight difference it's only 77 pounds. If you're solely looking at weight...then note that the E92 has 414hp vs a 300hp 335i, as well as 0-60 time comparisons of 4.2 to 4.8-9ish.

I hope that clarifies something, if not.....

Ya but it's an M it should be lighter. What this about lighter parts like CF roof and lighter engine blah blah and it's still heavier then the last gen which is cool it's still a cool car but that was the "BIG" deal everyone was crying about earlier when people were comparing the Tuned 335s to the M3 I guess that went through the window.Meh I'll stick with my 3 and get something else like an M5 err GT3 next year.

phrozen06 · 08-02-2007, 02:49 PM

E92 ///M FTW!!!!!!!!

All doubts about this car will quickly dissolve when this monster is finally released to the public.

phoenixbmwlife · 08-02-2007, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonmartin

1,655kg ? at least it's a good review but 3,648lbs isn't lightweight. The 335 weighs 3,571 what am I missing here? I thought it was supposed to be lighter?

No one ever said the 335 was lighter than the new M3. WHere did you hear that? Maybe you mixed it up with the review that the new V8 engine, is lighter than the outgoing M3 inline 6. That's a fact. And in any case since the e30, M3's are not known to be light weights anyway, If you want light weight go for the CSL.

K3N

dazzapb · 08-02-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonmartin

1,655kg ? at least it's a good review but 3,648lbs isn't lightweight. The 335 weighs 3,571 what am I missing here? I thought it was supposed to be lighter?

i believe thats kerb weight. with driver and 3/4 tank of fuel

Jonmartin · 08-02-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by K3N R3D

No one ever said the 335 was lighter than the new M3. WHere did you hear that? Maybe you mixed it up with the review that the new V8 engine, is lighter than the outgoing M3 inline 6. That's a fact. And in any case since the e30, M3's are not known to be light weights anyway, If you want light weight go for the CSL.

K3N

This article said and BMW's Brochure and Website all back it up the 335 is lighter not a big deal but i'm just saying.

NavNurs · 08-04-2007, 01:03 AM

Ok, Ok, OfukkingK, the 335 is the better car. We get it.

Big Windy · 08-04-2007, 11:36 AM

great work

RussianM3_dude · 08-04-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by absoluteis350

?? We're here.. whats your point? They gave the RS4 an awesome review too.

I expected the M3 to be great, being a coupe and lighter.. And I don't think anyone can seriously think its a shitty car. It has its flaws, already reported by many, but still remains an awesome car. What would I buy for daily driving? Based on very similar performance numbers, a RS4 (as pointed out by prior magazine articles). What would I buy for the track? A M3. Not a big deal nor a surprise really.. And since I spend more time in the real world than on the track, the RS4 is a 'better' car in my opinion.

Their performance figures are close enough that any real world (ie- non professional) matchups will come down to driver, not machine.

Why would you buy an M3 as a track car? It's completely unsuited to that.

M3/RS4 are cars to be driven daily but that you may occasionally take to the track and not get embarassed by a track prepped Mk2 Golf.

The difference between the two is whether the mere mention of RWD gives you the runs or not.

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phrozen06 Lieutenant Colonel 229 Rep 1,773 Posts Drives: 328it, RIP M3, E46 Sold Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 39°27'33"N 77°58'04"W W. Virgina, Kansas iTrader: (2)	E92 ///M FTW!!!!!!!! All doubts about this car will quickly dissolve when this monster is finally released to the public. __________________
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NavNurs First Lieutenant 13 Rep 308 Posts Drives: E92 / S2000 beater Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	Ok, Ok, OfukkingK, the 335 is the better car. We get it.
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Big Windy Major General 152 Rep 5,124 Posts Drives: None Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	great work
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