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11-07-2012, 06:50 PM | #23 | |
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trying to compare the two is silly. the e30 m3 was a brilliant success at doing something different as a homologation vehicle and was arguably the most successful touring car ever. the fat pig e9x not so much. will it be a desirable in the future? only time will tell. i wouldn't want to deal with 20 plus year old tech that is temperamental now. |
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This sounds kinda silly, but every time i take my S65 to the redline, i get that silly grin and wonders if i ever need to get a Ferrari? Is the V8 in the 458 that much better than the S65? The S65 is already an amazing engine...
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11-08-2012, 06:36 AM | #28 |
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Own both E90 and E46 M3. But E46 M3 is somehow more special to me. The E90 is a great M to haul my family and friends but don't think it's any where close to the last samuri character compare to the E46 M3.
Both are great nevertheless
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The BMW M team was all about high revving motors and had followed Ferrari's V8 very closely. Maybe the pressure from AMG's E63 (V8 bi-turbo) and Audi's RS6 (V10 bi-turbo) were just too much for the M team to beat with the new M5 if it was kept NA. The decision to turbo charge the M5 made it's way to the new M3 as well.
The E92 M3's V8 is not quite as great as Ferrari's V8, but it's damn close.
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With the V8 M3 it is not all about "how much" but "how". That exquisitely responsive engine with its superb range of noises (music would be a better word) can be out-performed by quite a few affordable cars, but they cannot better its feel and response. People who are more interested in "how much" will be happy with the next generation turbo-charged car. |
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11-08-2012, 12:13 PM | #34 |
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The E30 will always be the most special M3 as it's the first.
All subsequent M3's will depreciate and not really be a collectible car. The clean and well maintained will be at a premium, and probably harder to find as these cars become more affordable. They are all special in their own way. /Thread.
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11-08-2012, 02:30 PM | #35 | |
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To me the real question is more if a supercharged S65 is a more fun engine to drive then the next turbo 6cyl with a tune will be, if they have about the same hp!! I love the torque of turbo engines but with AWD, not sure how much fun a 500+lb-ft torque RWD M3 would be. I just have a VT1-535 and I'm having a hard time not spinning everytime in 2nd gear with 295s AD08s. But I'm sure M engineers have tought of all that!! |
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The last of the V8 was a BIG reason why I got my M3 when I did.
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Same here. And the fact that it's a high revving V8 makes it so unique.
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If just look at the engine in an M Car, you are missing the point. I can't recall the M division ever subscribing to any particular feature or spec as the defining characteristic. It has more to do with how everything works together to create the experience. Engines, suspension, brakes, etc all contribute to the experience. Everything has changed over the years. Engines, suspension designs, brakes, wheel designs, CF usage, etc. You could argue that M car should be homologated and hand built and the E9X M3 is a poseur car if you look at the roots of ///M which predated the E30 M3.
Like every other M3, I think the car will hold its value VERY well. Depending on how the DCT holds up, not sure if the E9X platform will command the same premium for 6MT cars like the E46 M3 does. A clean E36 M3 still sells for over $10k nowadays despite being 14-18 years old so that should tell you something. The E36 is the most unreliable M3 to date as well.
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11-10-2012, 03:50 PM | #41 | |
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S65 was a big factor for me
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But I do use mine and put up 12k+ / yr. Stone chips etc - it could not remain pristine as some have theirs. I'm also thinking of a 991 CS. It's sticking to its classic formula (NA boxer-6). I love the V8 and don't want to go turbo 6.
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Also one of the reasons I picked the E92 M3 is because it's proved itself to be pretty reliable. That was a big factor in me picking this car.
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11-10-2012, 09:22 PM | #43 | |
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Its all relative. I think the M3 has been one of the most reliable BMWs over the past 2 decades.
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As for the e9x M3, guess you have not seen Motortrend's latest prediction. http://wot.motortrend.com/top-10-new...cs-275841.html It makes sense the e9x would be a classic down the line, all due to its fabled V8. |
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