1/4 mile time for ESS VT1-535

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by m33

Am I getting this right ?
He trapped 133mph at 11.4 sec in the 1/4mile ???
If so then that's impressive .....

It is very impressive, 11.4 @ 132MPH, would love to see the 60-130MPH graph on that bad boy.

[m33]

Man this upgrade is tempting ...........

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by m33

These figures are in line with drew's figures ( trap vs whp ) but the only difference ( drew I swear I don't mean this in any knocking or harmful way )is the 625 kit in on 94 oct at 7.5 lbs of boost vs drew's setup ..
Either way sick figures from both parts !!!

No offense taken Bro, I was on WM!

Just to be clear, when I ran that Vbox 1/4 mile time, 11.4 @ 130, I was at 7.5 - 8psi, on 91 octane, with a small amount of Water/Meth, the car would have ran the same with 94 octane and no WM. The car should go faster at 9.5psi, just need to do another 1/4 mile Vbox run with these settings.

[TwinTurboXI]

Originally Posted by 09garage

My M3 was much faster than GTR-35 , G-Power M3 600HP , Brabus K8 , Porsche 997TT 650HP ( Auto Turbine upgrade ) , SL65 AMG ( Renntech tuned ) ...ETC

Wow, Very Nice!

[m33]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

No offense taken Bro, I was on WM!

Just to be clear, when I ran that Vbox 1/4 mile time, 11.4 @ 130, I was at 7.5 - 8psi, on 91 octane, with a small amount of Water/Meth, the car would have ran the same with 94 octane and no WM. The car should go faster at 9.5psi, just need to do another 1/4 mile Vbox run with these settings.

Makes sense , curious to see what numbers you would lay down

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by sammyrusso

If that ESS kit puts out 600whp that means with 15% percent drivetrain loss it would make 690hp at the crank and at 20% 720hp and at 24% is making 744hp. I mean WOW!!!!!!! Those are some #s

ACTIVE AUTOWERKS dyno reads 524whp and 650hp crank @ 7.5-8.5lbs boost and meth.

DREW'S GINTANI dyno reads 563whp and 698hp crank @ 9-10lbs boost and meth.
(drews car power calculation is based off of actives about #'s which would be appx %24 drivetrain loss)

Those 2 seem in line...about a 1.5lbs boost diff at min/max and 40hp diff.

And that ESS kit at I belive @ 6.5lbs on 93 octane is make making 600whp and 744hp at the crank.

WOW i mean ESS is just a step above everyone else! 2-3.5 lbs less boost and making almost 50-100hp more!

The dyno posted was made from a VT2-625 that is rated at 7.5 psi not 6.5 psi. The VT2-625 is also rated to produce a 50% gain over stock power; it's not rated to make 600 whp. As 09garage has proven the VT2-625 kit has made 600 whp on a dynojet with the right combination of fuel and exhaust design. Dyno results will always vary based on conditions, dyno used, exhaust and base power of the car before adding a supercharger to it. The kit is capable of more than 600 whp when run with higher boost but like AJ said this will be reserved for our upcoming VT3 that will have lowered compression, forged pistons and stronger rods and different bearings.

Exhaust design on these cars can make a big difference in power. 09garage im sure has tried many designs in an attempt to make as much power as they can and seem to have done a good job. Running a 11.4 @ 132.17 1/4 mile is very impressive guys keep up the good work

We currently have a few new M3 projects in testing and we will be posting some info on these very soon

[TheKosherStogie]

So then 1-2lbs less boost and 50-100 WHEEL HP! more than both other kits...very interesting!..and regarding the exhaust, well all the examples I listed are catless so so maybe minor hp differences between the exhausts

Roman, Also very curious, u missed my post about the korean shop being an ESS dealer..is it? if so I dont think you can consider that an independent dyno. Unless I'm wrong about my facts.

Would love to see 60-130 off that 1/4 miles run. Post up the graph! Got to be a fast time! Congrats on the 11.4 at 133! thats fargin fast!

[AJ@ESS]

09Garage resells AA and ESS among many other brands in Korea, the DynoJet used is not their own.

As you may be aware of, it is not possible to cheat a DynoJet so it does not really matter who has it or where it is dynoed. The DynoDynamics on the other hand is very easy to cheat as it has user configurable correction factors. You can dyno the exact same car back to back and make as much more power you want on the second run simply by adding correction factor. If a DynoJet shows 600whp, the car put down 600whp.

[TheKosherStogie]

boost settings can be changed etc...but i wasnt implying anyone cheated...u said independent dyno...if a shop sells the kit its not so independent. thats all i was asking...nothing about cheating

thanks for the reply

[m33]

Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD

boost settings can be changed etc...but i wasnt implying anyone cheated...u said independent dyno...if a shop sells the kit its not so independent. thats all i was asking...nothing about cheating

thanks for the reply

I don't think he(AJ) saying anyone cheated , he's just making a good point that a dyno jet will give you a accurate/actual whp number that the car is putting down regardless where the dyno jet is ( which in return throws out your independed dyno theory out the window cause it irrelevant )!!!
Now if it was done on dyno dynamic dyno different ball game , you can enter different correction factors that will net higher whp than it's actually putting ( cheating friendly dyno )....

[m33]

I have a local dyno that is a dynodynamics that is exactly why I haven't bothered dynoing in it !
I have access to mustang dyno and dynojet just need to find time to do so ....

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

No offense taken Bro, I was on WM!

Just to be clear, when I ran that Vbox 1/4 mile time, 11.4 @ 130, I was at 7.5 - 8psi, on 91 octane, with a small amount of Water/Meth, the car would have ran the same with 94 octane and no WM. The car should go faster at 9.5psi, just need to do another 1/4 mile Vbox run with these settings.

If only all SC owners out there did half the testing you did. Honestly I think there would be less tuner drama. There would be an infinite amount of data and testing results to compare all systems.

[TheKosherStogie]

Originally Posted by m33

I have a local dyno that is a dynodynamics that is exactly why I haven't bothered dynoing in it !
I have access to mustang dyno and dynojet just need to find time to do so ....

U should try the dyno dynamic w/ no correction factor. They read very low!

Also unless the boost levels are on the graph of the dynojet, it's only a mans word what boost he is running just like the correction factor on the dyno dynamics

[TheKosherStogie]

^im not sure what you are referring to, but i dont want to keep more of the same bs going on thats been around lately. but yes anyone could just change the correction factor. But i see where you were going w/ that.

IMO best way to do it, is what sticky/joseph is trying to make happen...have everyone meet at an independent dyno and have it all done at once...with everything published...same dyno, independent dyno operator etc. Seems this would solve any issue at hand...

and that seem pretty much what you want to happen PG...everything publish, boost etc..then there is no questioning...it will all be there for everyone to see, right?

[Jack28]

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

If it's done right, then who wouldn't like the idea? Basically it's my idea...of course I like it.

To do it right, this was the format I recommended a long time ago (this was agreed by one vendor, but strongly opposed by the other, and also highly criticized by Sticky himself).

1. All cars must collect spark and AFR data and log onto the dyno files.
2. All FI cars must also collect boost data.
3. All raw dyno files must be shared among all vendors AT the shootout. Nobody would be allowed to exchange files after-the-fact because it's too easy to slip in a file that wasn't generated at the shoot out.
4. All cars would have their gas tanks drained and refilled with the same exact gas.
5. Nobody would be allowed the use of racing gas, or racing gas mixtures.
6. All cars should follow each other on a 30-50 mile "drive" to ensure any residual gas in the fuel pump system, injectors, etc. was purged and replaced by the gas in the tanks. (I didn't say this condition at the time, but I'll add it now.)
7. For all FI cars, a heat soak test would run eight back-to-back runs with a very short (TBD-second) cool-down time between runs. The results would be measured on the last two runs (runs 7 and 8).
8. For all NA cars to be flashed with NA tunes, each car would first be flashed with the same NA "factory" tune to obtain a baseline in three pulls. The newer "tuned" files would be given on CD (or USB stick) to an independant third party who would use the same exact flashing procedure and instructions for each car. The results would be measured in three pulls.
9. All cars would be vendor supplied "customer" cars -- meaning the vendor must be present to represent the car, and not some "friend of PencilGeek" car to show up with who-knows-what mods on it.

Anyways, that's my idea of an independant dyno shootout. And like I said, the idea was shot down by a certain vendor and highly criticized by Joseph and his followers. Of course I think the vendor refusal and criticism of the proposal were very strange because the proposal makes very strong attempts at every level to avoid any type of manipulation of the results.

wow nicely put PG, That is a great idea of an independant dyno shootout.... would be great especially for us consumers if both vendors can put something like that together.

[m33]

That's the best way to approach it ! Nice , clean & fair .

Originally Posted by PencilGeek

If it's done right, then who wouldn't like the idea? Basically it's my idea...of course I like it.

To do it right, this was the format I recommended a long time ago (this was agreed by one vendor, but strongly opposed by the other, and also highly criticized by Sticky himself).

1. All cars must collect spark and AFR data and log onto the dyno files.
2. All FI cars must also collect boost data.
3. All raw dyno files must be shared among all vendors AT the shootout. Nobody would be allowed to exchange files after-the-fact because it's too easy to slip in a file that wasn't generated at the shoot out.
4. All cars would have their gas tanks drained and refilled with the same exact gas.
5. Nobody would be allowed the use of racing gas, or racing gas mixtures.
6. All cars should follow each other on a 30-50 mile "drive" to ensure any residual gas in the fuel pump system, injectors, etc. was purged and replaced by the gas in the tanks. (I didn't say this condition at the time, but I'll add it now.)
7. For all FI cars, a heat soak test would run eight back-to-back runs with a very short (TBD-second) cool-down time between runs. The results would be measured on the last two runs (runs 7 and 8).
8. For all NA cars to be flashed with NA tunes, each car would first be flashed with the same NA "factory" tune to obtain a baseline in three pulls. The newer "tuned" files would be given on CD (or USB stick) to an independant third party who would use the same exact flashing procedure and instructions for each car. The results would be measured in three pulls.
9. All cars would be vendor supplied "customer" cars -- meaning the vendor must be present to represent the car, and not some "friend of PencilGeek" car to show up with who-knows-what mods on it.

Anyways, that's my idea of an independant dyno shootout. And like I said, the idea was shot down by a certain vendor and highly criticized by Joseph and his followers. Of course I think the vendor refusal and criticism of the proposal were very strange because the proposal makes very strong attempts at every level to avoid any type of manipulation of the results.

[MspiredM3]

Enough comparing dyno's! Line em up! Any ESS car's in the LA area care to play?

[E90///M3`]

Originally Posted by MspiredM3

Enough comparing dyno's! Line em up! Any ESS car's in the LA area care to play?

haha what you trying to prove bro? and no... i won't run you... or Drew... or Ricky... or Dean... yet...

[TheKosherStogie]

^ e90//m3 you have a ESS kit and live in camarillo?

[E90///M3`]

Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD

^ e90//m3 you have a ESS kit and live in camarillo?

yessir i do... only a stage 1 though

[MspiredM3]

Originally Posted by E90///M3`

haha what you trying to prove bro? and no... i won't run you... or Drew... or Ricky... or Dean... yet...

lol, nothing to prove with running a ESS e9x, just think it would be fun to compare

Originally Posted by E90///M3`

yessir i do... only a stage 1 though

You and Sam would be a great run!

[TheKosherStogie]

Originally Posted by E90///M3`

yessir i do... only a stage 1 though

I would love to set up some runs! i think i might put up a decent fight.

Do you have a manual tranny?

Lets set something up.

"mexico" here we come!