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      04-03-2011, 02:47 AM   #89
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update on the RS: After 500miles it feels way better than new. (or just got used to it and like it) That damn car needs to be driven hard. No relaxed cruising. I mean every trip should be full on, like on the track, then it shines.
I tried to do my cunning -my wife calls it stupid- drift turn at an intersection on my way home. With all electronic nanies off - did it just for the "test" - in 2nd gear tight right turn I did hang the tail out, just not exactly in a way I planned. I knew this turn very well, the M3 can nicely hang out its tail, did it several times for fun especially during the winter when there was snow on the ground. Well the RS did put out its tail too, just much faster than the M3. Faster I mean earlier in the turn, and also more abruptly. More like the trail braking rather than the throttle got the tail loose. The M3 usually gets loose there when I accelerate out from the turn. The RS actually got more planted rather than loose when I put my foot down. In a way "corrected itself" upon throttle application. Which was fortunate since there were some other cars around.
HAHA welcome to the world of the 911..Not as forgiving as a 50/50 balanced car eh? it's ok tho,it needs to be driven in a different manner,testing its limits on the streets are no easy feat.Congrats,you have one heck of a car,ENJOY!!
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update on the RS: After 500miles it feels way better than new. (or just got used to it and like it) That damn car needs to be driven hard. No relaxed cruising. I mean every trip should be full on, like on the track, then it shines.
I tried to do my cunning -my wife calls it stupid- drift turn at an intersection on my way home. With all electronic nanies off - did it just for the "test" - in 2nd gear tight right turn I did hang the tail out, just not exactly in a way I planned. I knew this turn very well, the M3 can nicely hang out its tail, did it several times for fun especially during the winter when there was snow on the ground. Well the RS did put out its tail too, just much faster than the M3. Faster I mean earlier in the turn, and also more abruptly. More like the trail braking rather than the throttle got the tail loose. The M3 usually gets loose there when I accelerate out from the turn. The RS actually got more planted rather than loose when I put my foot down. In a way "corrected itself" upon throttle application. Which was fortunate since there were some other cars around.
Try not to kill anyone. Keep your drift turns on the racetrack.
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I really doubt he's killing anyone making a 90 degree turn at a light in second gear.
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Try not to kill anyone. Keep your drift turns on the racetrack.
The intersection where I did this has virtually no traffic.
This Friday, I will have the RS out on the track - as part of the brake in. (at least that's what I tell myself) So the plan is to learn the car at 7-8/10 and brake it in properly.
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      04-05-2011, 05:29 PM   #93
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The intersection where I did this has virtually no traffic.
This Friday, I will have the RS out on the track - as part of the brake in. (at least that's what I tell myself) So the plan is to learn the car at 7-8/10 and brake it in properly.
Yet you mentioned there were cars, and if you think that a 90 degree turn in 2nd gear can't kill someone, you are greatly mistaken about the force of a 3000 lb car hitting a 150 lb person walking on the sidewalk minding his own business.
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      04-05-2011, 07:49 PM   #94
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I was on call when I picked up the car and had to return a page.
A pager....really? Sorry couldn't help but laugh at that one. Didn't realize those were still in use. But guess when you are driving a sick GT3RS you can do whatever you like. love the car!
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      04-05-2011, 08:27 PM   #95
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The exact same thing happened to me..I could lurk no longer.

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I have extensive driving in a 2010 M3 and own a GT3RS. I must tell you that when I read your post I had to register on this board just so I could tell you (and other readers on here that might actually give some credit to your posting) that you absolutely have no idea what you are talking about.

The M3 is a wonderful car. It is a good value, has good performance and makes for a good daily driver. But if you think for even 1 second that it gives you a comparable driving pleasure as the 3RS either on the street or most certainly on a track, then you must truly have lost your ability to assess sports cars in an objective manner. Without going into a laundry list of reasons why that is, I would say this post should be memorialized as the embodiment of the saying that when it comes to sports cars 'some people have more money than brains'.

End of rant.

Edit: I just re-read your post and saw that you have not even tried the 3RS beyond 5k rpm. This alone discredits your entire "review". Even the most basic newb that has read about the RS in a magazine would know one of the most special things about this engine is its character up to redline. And yet you are comparing exhaust notes and performance without even having put the pedal to the metal? Please return or sell this car so that a rightful owner may put it to good use.

When i came across this thread today, after reading the OP i thought OMG... Then i read your post. Thank you!!.

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There is no bias, simply your inability to distinguish good from great. Your comment about this being your first porsche and your first bmw indicates quite clearly that you are inexperienced when it comes to sports cars. Not a problem in itself, and god bless you for being able to afford both, except that you come out making pronouncements of greatness and comparisons. This is like seeing a 7 year old kid critique Shakespeare when he is still reading children's picture books. There is simply no credibility. On top of this when you add that you didn't like the 458 either I start to think you are trolling rather than being serious.
Precisely. So glad someone has pointed out the glaringly obvious.

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I would have been happy to lurk, but as I said, some trash just needs to be rectified and cannot go unchecked.Boom. There is your violent torpedo of truth.
Brilliant! Thank god you pulled this nonsense up. Just when i was wondering how it would be possible to get a shovel and wheelbarrow into cyberspace to clear this BS.
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      04-05-2011, 08:52 PM   #96
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My intention was very benign when I started this thread and did not want to offend anyone.
I think with this post I will quit on this thread, it apparently did not turn out as I intended.
I have to run anyway.
attila, im sure youre a decent guy but attempting to compare a an M3 to a true thoroughbred sportscar was destined to cop some serious flack. I think thats why you haven't seen seen any comparo's on these 2 before. There really is no comparison. The M3 is the better daily driver due to its general practicalities, softer ride, lighter clutch etc but thats the start and finish of it.

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      04-06-2011, 11:03 AM   #97
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Yet you mentioned there were cars, and if you think that a 90 degree turn in 2nd gear can't kill someone, you are greatly mistaken about the force of a 3000 lb car hitting a 150 lb person walking on the sidewalk minding his own business.
The cars were in a safe distance and there is no sidewalk. Kind of a wooded area, you have more chance to hit a deer than peolpe. (One of those stupid deer actually tried to jump over the M3 rear!! Now i have some damage on the C-pillar. Will go to the body shop this weekend)
I do not like to hit anyone - don't like to go back to work
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      04-06-2011, 11:14 AM   #98
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attila, im sure youre a decent guy but attempting to compare a an M3 to a true thoroughbred sportscar was destined to cop some serious flack. I think thats why you haven't seen seen any comparo's on these 2 before. There really is no comparison. The M3 is the better daily driver due to its general practicalities, softer ride, lighter clutch etc but thats the start and finish of it.
spot on
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      04-12-2011, 12:34 PM   #99
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Nice car Attila I'm another one in the M3/GT3 club. But the most fun car out of the three is the one in the back



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      04-12-2011, 02:22 PM   #100
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Nice car Attila I'm another one in the M3/GT3 club. But the most fun car out of the three is the one in the back



Very Nice!! Like your taste!
Was out at MAM with the RS last Friday. Was very interesting. The RS is not really difficult and malignant at all. (still managed to spin it, due to wet track, SC TC off, and some overconfidence)
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      04-13-2011, 04:10 PM   #101
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Very Nice!! Like your taste!
Was out at MAM with the RS last Friday. Was very interesting. The RS is not really difficult and malignant at all. (still managed to spin it, due to wet track, SC TC off, and some overconfidence)
You're right. It's a very easy car to drive and drive fast even in the rain. You have to really not know how to drive and come in too hot to go off. At first I was very nervous just driving it on regular roads thinking it was going to spin for no reason. I guess 911's are really a thing of the past.
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      04-15-2011, 07:44 PM   #102
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congrats - love that rear end.

agree with you 100%; things dont ever live up to the hype we build up for them.
I never dreamt of the M3 per say, so I never had expectations for it - I am not disappointed in the least.

Other cars you build-up in your mind and hold on a pedastle will ultimately fail you in some way - but I am sure the gt3rs will please overwhelmingly as a totality. At least for me, this stands true of any purchase I dwell on really.

Do you mind me asking if you wished you went with ZR1 or Gt-R instead?
All brilliant cars.
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congrats - love that rear end.

agree with you 100%; things dont ever live up to the hype we build up for them.
I never dreamt of the M3 per say, so I never had expectations for it - I am not disappointed in the least.

Other cars you build-up in your mind and hold on a pedastle will ultimately fail you in some way - but I am sure the gt3rs will please overwhelmingly as a totality. At least for me, this stands true of any purchase I dwell on really.

Do you mind me asking if you wished you went with ZR1 or Gt-R instead?
All brilliant cars.
Thanks a lot! I think you truly understood my review! it is really not "against" the RS as some perceived.

I liked the ZR-1 more than I thought I would. My only issue was the size of the car - I am sure one would get used to that - and the interior. It had a strange plasticy, anylin type smell to it. Not the regular good, new car smell. On my short trip the seet was fine. The shifter was somewhat questionable though. The car was brutally fast even low down - like 2K rpm - a fun feeling. Hard to evaluate a car during a 20 min trip and it was long ago. I think if you have the ZR-1 in mind try the carbon edition Z0-6.
I tried only the '10 GT-R not the new upgraded '12. (I will testdrive that next weekend!!)
You can find plenty of reviews on the GT-R and I don't think can add too much. I was hesitating for long between the GT3RS and the GT-R. I cannot really tell you why I choose the RS. Maybe, because it was some sort of a childhood dream to have a P-car. You cannot go wrong with the GT-R or the RS.
The RS is amazing if you push it. I took some turns recently at speeds never thought possible with any car. Not even a hint of SC interaction.
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The car feels like going fast all the time, in a way like my MX-5.
Got here and stopped reading... LMFAO
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      07-01-2011, 08:57 AM   #105
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Thanks a lot! I think you truly understood my review! it is really not "against" the RS as some perceived.

I liked the ZR-1 more than I thought I would. My only issue was the size of the car - I am sure one would get used to that - and the interior. It had a strange plasticy, anylin type smell to it. Not the regular good, new car smell. On my short trip the seet was fine. The shifter was somewhat questionable though. The car was brutally fast even low down - like 2K rpm - a fun feeling. Hard to evaluate a car during a 20 min trip and it was long ago. I think if you have the ZR-1 in mind try the carbon edition Z0-6.
I tried only the '10 GT-R not the new upgraded '12. (I will testdrive that next weekend!!)
You can find plenty of reviews on the GT-R and I don't think can add too much. I was hesitating for long between the GT3RS and the GT-R. I cannot really tell you why I choose the RS. Maybe, because it was some sort of a childhood dream to have a P-car. You cannot go wrong with the GT-R or the RS.
The RS is amazing if you push it. I took some turns recently at speeds never thought possible with any car. Not even a hint of SC interaction.
"I cannot really tell you why I choose the RS."

C'mon man....I can tell you why you chose it. Because it is one of the last pure high performance sports cars on the planet! To me, if one were looking to buy a racecar that they could actually enjoy on the street, the GT3RS would be the only choice. I cannot wait to own my GT3 or even better, GT3RS in the near future. Beautiful car man! Enjoy it!

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"I cannot really tell you why I choose the RS."

C'mon man....I can tell you why you chose it. Because it is one of the last pure high performance sports cars on the planet! To me, if one were looking to buy a racecar that they could actually enjoy on the street, the GT3RS would be the only choice. I cannot wait to own my GT3 or even better, GT3RS in the near future. Beautiful car man! Enjoy it!

-SZ
The car (GT3 RS) is so much better than I originally thought. After 3-4 track days I could not stop giggling on the track. So easy to rotate this car and the throttle like glue on exits. I just got the 18" tires (BFG-R1 - Hossier R6 was not available at 335/30 R18 size) and the 18" wheels are coming too. Will ad the RSS x-pipe, and take off the PCCB rotors.
Unfortunately I stil have the car buying bug in me so i still looking at other cars to add to the stable.
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      07-01-2011, 12:11 PM   #107
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Just wanted to say congrats on the purchase and your honest review. Others seem to think you are trying to put down Porsche, but to me it is clear that you are simply disappointed compared to the expectations that you (justifiably, I admit) held.

A few months on, what would be your recommendation to someone else considering the same jump? The GT3 is at the top of my list when the warranty on my M3 expires, but your thread gives me some reservations.
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Just wanted to say congrats on the purchase and your honest review. Others seem to think you are trying to put down Porsche, but to me it is clear that you are simply disappointed compared to the expectations that you (justifiably, I admit) held.

A few months on, what would be your recommendation to someone else considering the same jump? The GT3 is at the top of my list when the warranty on my M3 expires, but your thread gives me some reservations.
The GT3 is a genuinely excellent car for it's intended use. On the track the GT3 RS is very very good. On the other hand I would not use it on the road too much. Don't get me wrong, you can use it on regular roads, especially if the surface is good, but the GT3 is not an all arounder and it is very showy. If you think about a track car and you have a trailer and you want to have a Porsche get the Cup or Cup S, if you don't need a P-car and not afraid to work on your car regularly get a Radical SR3 or SR8. That's my direction right now. I will cancel my F-car order and will go with the Radical. There are used SR8's around for less than $80K. They need quite a bit of maintenance I have to admit but will give you a single seater race car feel like no lesser Porsche than the RSR can. Or you can get a used Formula 3 car??!!
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For some..
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