BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > E90/E92 M3 Technical Topics > Cosmetic/Visual (Exterior + Interior) Modifications
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-15-2010, 02:10 AM   #1
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
8105
Rep
18,794
Posts


Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (19)

Garage List
2018 BMW i3s  [0.00]
2010 BMW M3  [6.50]
2015 BMW M4  [5.25]
▀▄ eas - 2011 LCI Taillight Retrofit Overview - Q&A

The release of the 2011 LCI (Life Cycle Impulse) introduced some minor improvements to the vehicle. On the exterior side, most noticeably with the taillights. This DIY will give a quick overview for those to update their lighting to update the rear of their 07-10 3-series Coupe or Convertible to appear like the 2011 models.

An LCI Upgrade consists of inner/Outer taillamps, trunk lamps (4 total) and Plug and Play (PnP) harnesses.



Our example will be performed on a 2010 M3 Convertible, which is the last production year of the Pre-LCI lamps:

























On pre-LCI vehicles (>2011), there are a series of "checks" that are performed when the ignition is turned on.

Once of these processes is called "BulbCheck", which sends small voltage pulses to the various exterior lamps of the vehicle and expects a load on the circuit - which a stock halogen bulb would give. The voltage used is very small, not enough to light up the bulb - so it's never seen.

LEDs require very little voltage to operate, and can pick up these pulses - which is the "flickering" seen when the ignition is activated: BulbCheck in action. This also results in errors on the instrument cluster/iDrive screen since the vehicle thinks the bulbs are non-functional. Coding will tell the vehicle (4 different control modules) that LED lamps have been retrofitted and that BulbCheck isn't required in those specific fields any longer, allowing the vehicle to operate like normal.

Here's a quick video of the LCI taillamps in action to show the differences before coding and after coding is performed:



The LCI Taillamps are 100% functional after installation as seen in the component test, I want to make sure everyone is clear that the vehicle is not unsafe to drive if the end user has not yet had a chance to get the vehicle coded.

Do keep in mind that coding is required for a proper installation and targets correcting the bulb-out indicators on the instrument cluster/iDrive as well as pre-ignition flickering upon startup. This will also ensure that no future errors are present if the vehicle should ever visit the dealer for other service updates or maintenance work.

The following modules are coded:

Car Access System (CAS)
Junction Box Electronics (JBE)
Footwell Module (FRM)
Instrument Cluster

BulbCheck is removed for only the lamps that were replaced by LEDs, all other monitoring systems are kept in place.

A LOT of work has gone into making sure this was performed correctly - even providing log sessions of 16 different vehicles, including making a trip to the dealership to scan vehicles with pre-equipped LCI builds in log comparisons.

Coding will also allow the vehicle to pass all verification and safety checks, as well as not provide any issues if the vehicle is ever brought in for service - since we are using original BMW parts and proper coding has taken place, rather than attempting to "band-aid" the situation with add-on resistors (which are dangerous).

Here are some shots of the FRM2/FRM3 location underneath the driver's side footwell:



You do not need to upgrade to FRM3 for LCI Coding!For those looking to inspect what type of FRM they have, the part label will have either FRM2 or FRM3 displayed, we have the ability to code either FRM2 or FRM3 modules:



Thanks for reading, feel free to respond with any questions - with the intention of keeping this a technical-specific thread.
__________________
Tom G. | european auto source (eas)
email: tom@europeanautosource.com · web: https://europeanautosource.com· tel 866.669.0705 · ca: 714.369.8524 x22

GET DAILY UPDATES ON OUR BLOG · FACEBOOK · YOUTUBE · FLICKR · INSTAGRAM

Last edited by tom @ eas; 11-27-2012 at 07:03 PM..
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 02:17 AM   #2
Powerbeast
Lieutenant General
Powerbeast's Avatar
United_States
5407
Rep
10,825
Posts

Drives: F80 M3 RarriRot
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (4)

Thats one nice M3 and lights... Who's car is that?
Appreciate 1
      05-15-2010, 02:24 AM   #3
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
8105
Rep
18,794
Posts


Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (19)

Garage List
2018 BMW i3s  [0.00]
2010 BMW M3  [6.50]
2015 BMW M4  [5.25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powerbeast View Post
Thats one nice M3 and lights... Who's car is that?
You sir, have one awesome M3. About to get even better from what we talked about today.
__________________
Tom G. | european auto source (eas)
email: tom@europeanautosource.com · web: https://europeanautosource.com· tel 866.669.0705 · ca: 714.369.8524 x22

GET DAILY UPDATES ON OUR BLOG · FACEBOOK · YOUTUBE · FLICKR · INSTAGRAM
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 02:33 AM   #4
duk
///M
United_States
158
Rep
3,195
Posts

Drives: 2011 AW/FR 6MT E92
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Irvine, CA

iTrader: (0)

man u guys rock! this upgrade is mandatory!!
__________________
2011.5 AW/FR E92 M3 6MT
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 02:38 AM   #5
SIIK2NR
Lieutenant
South Korea
51
Rep
598
Posts

Drives: AW E92 M3
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: San Dog

iTrader: (0)

Where can I get the coding done? Any dealership? Can I bring my car to your shop?
__________________
Current: 2006 Lotus Elise SC
Previous:
2008 AW E92 M3 6MT - Sold
2004 AP2 S2000 - Sold
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 02:42 AM   #6
RJM3
Enlisted Member
2
Rep
48
Posts

Drives: car
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Track

iTrader: (0)

it looks good ! can any shop with autologic program it?
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 03:07 AM   #7
powertrip
Scared money don't make money.
powertrip's Avatar
67
Rep
1,449
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 M3 DCT
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Irvine, CA

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
2009 E92 M3  [0.00]
Looks great Tom . I'm going to cruise by in the next week or two to have these installed. Can you PM the pricing?

Powerbeast, your car is looking really clean....HRE, Brembo, Arkym, .
__________________
2009 E92 M3/DCT/Alpine White/Fox Red/Carbon Leather
OE Tuned 402 whp & 303 wtq/Gintani X-pipe/MXP Axle Back/Rogue Pulley/AFE Stage 2/Cosmetics By IND & EAS
HUGE THANKS: Gintani, OE Tuning, and EAS
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 06:44 AM   #8
RandyB
Lieutenant Colonel
RandyB's Avatar
United_States
20
Rep
1,504
Posts

Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Thumbs up

Those look great! Does the pre-LCI harness just plug into the new lights or is there an adapter that goes between the factory plug and the new taillight? Is there a place to get the coding done in DFW Texas?

Great work!
__________________
'09 E92 M3 6MT | Alpine White | Black Leather | EDC | CL Trim | 19s
'03 E46 330i 6MT | Electric Red | Black Leather | ZSP | Bi-Xenons
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 07:15 AM   #9
Martin_D
Lieutenant Colonel
Martin_D's Avatar
United_States
102
Rep
1,787
Posts

Drives: Ford Super Duty
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC

iTrader: (34)

Great work guys - keep it up!
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 09:35 AM   #10
M3Captain
Banned
Greece
46
Rep
572
Posts

Drives: M3 and a McDonnell Douglas
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NJ

iTrader: (1)

OK so the new e90's also have these taillights. How come there is no retrofit for pre-LCI e90's?
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 12:51 PM   #11
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
8105
Rep
18,794
Posts


Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (19)

Garage List
2018 BMW i3s  [0.00]
2010 BMW M3  [6.50]
2015 BMW M4  [5.25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SIIK2NR View Post
Where can I get the coding done? Any dealership? Can I bring my car to your shop?
Dealership do not yet have this specific retrofit path, it will likely be released when the BlackLines hit the market. We can perform coding in-house.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RJM3 View Post
it looks good ! can any shop with autologic program it?
Correct - as long as they have a complete understanding of CIP programming, which most autologic shops do.

Quote:
Originally Posted by powertrip View Post
Looks great Tom . I'm going to cruise by in the next week or two to have these installed. Can you PM the pricing?

Powerbeast, your car is looking really clean....HRE, Brembo, Arkym, .
Powerbeast has a very well equipped M3.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyB View Post
Those look great! Does the pre-LCI harness just plug into the new lights or is there an adapter that goes between the factory plug and the new taillight? Is there a place to get the coding done in DFW Texas?

Great work!
The connections are different on the new lamps, a PnP harness is required so no splicing is needed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by M3Captain View Post
OK so the new e90's also have these taillights. How come there is no retrofit for pre-LCI e90's?
There's good news and bad news on the Sedan LCI path.

Good news: No PnP harness is required
Bad news: A post-LCI trunk is also needed due to the new shape of the taillamps.

Coding is still required for proper operation.
__________________
Tom G. | european auto source (eas)
email: tom@europeanautosource.com · web: https://europeanautosource.com· tel 866.669.0705 · ca: 714.369.8524 x22

GET DAILY UPDATES ON OUR BLOG · FACEBOOK · YOUTUBE · FLICKR · INSTAGRAM
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 06:48 PM   #12
BobsM3Coupe
Brigadier General
BobsM3Coupe's Avatar
United_States
1444
Rep
3,917
Posts

Drives: X5MC
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: California

iTrader: (4)

Just wondering IF for some reason the owner wanted to reinstall the original non led lights, would the vehicle need to be coded again?
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 08:20 PM   #13
A1 RDL
www.ryandalziel.com
United_States
24
Rep
208
Posts

Drives: 2009 JB E92 M3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Orlando, FL

iTrader: (0)

Why didnt you guys mention the dash code faults before. I bought the PNP harness from you and the tail lights from my dealer now I read this and there is no local autologic shops. Now what am i meant to do?
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 08:25 PM   #14
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
8105
Rep
18,794
Posts


Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (19)

Garage List
2018 BMW i3s  [0.00]
2010 BMW M3  [6.50]
2015 BMW M4  [5.25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by BobsM3Coupe View Post
Just wondering IF for some reason the owner wanted to reinstall the original non led lights, would the vehicle need to be coded again?
This was taken into account as well, the old lamps can be reinstalled without any issues.

Quote:
Originally Posted by A1 RDL View Post
Why didnt you guys mention the dash code faults before. I bought the PNP harness from you and the tail lights from my dealer now I read this and there is no local autologic shops. Now what am i meant to do?
It's actually been mentioned quite a few times while development was being performed - each step and results were explained along the way. Please PM me your full name so I can locate a technician in your area and get you coded up.
__________________
Tom G. | european auto source (eas)
email: tom@europeanautosource.com · web: https://europeanautosource.com· tel 866.669.0705 · ca: 714.369.8524 x22

GET DAILY UPDATES ON OUR BLOG · FACEBOOK · YOUTUBE · FLICKR · INSTAGRAM
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 08:31 PM   #15
A1 RDL
www.ryandalziel.com
United_States
24
Rep
208
Posts

Drives: 2009 JB E92 M3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Orlando, FL

iTrader: (0)

I sent you three PM's yesterday and told me that you knew of no techs in Orlando and to check the autologic website myself. Unless I am mistaken I only read that there would be bulb check flickering. I never read anything about dash faults.
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 08:51 PM   #16
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
8105
Rep
18,794
Posts


Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (19)

Garage List
2018 BMW i3s  [0.00]
2010 BMW M3  [6.50]
2015 BMW M4  [5.25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by A1 RDL View Post
I sent you three PM's yesterday and told me that you knew of no techs in Orlando and to check the autologic website myself. Unless I am mistaken I only read that there would be bulb check flickering. I never read anything about dash faults.
Here's the thread in reference: http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...=372215&page=2. We start on Post #33, there you can see the project from beginning to end as it was happening - including every step and notes that were taken.

Have you called autologic to see if there is a technician in your area that can assist?
__________________
Tom G. | european auto source (eas)
email: tom@europeanautosource.com · web: https://europeanautosource.com· tel 866.669.0705 · ca: 714.369.8524 x22

GET DAILY UPDATES ON OUR BLOG · FACEBOOK · YOUTUBE · FLICKR · INSTAGRAM
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 09:02 PM   #17
A1 RDL
www.ryandalziel.com
United_States
24
Rep
208
Posts

Drives: 2009 JB E92 M3
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Orlando, FL

iTrader: (0)

I dont read e90post since i have an E92. The post you posted on M3Post was this - http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382162 and on this you edited post #1 to read "Edit: Coding from an independent with an Autologic programmer will be required to fully remove disable BulbCheck. Coding has been completed, let me know if you need in-house coding from us or would like us to direct you to a local. Lighting assemblies and PnP harness are not returnable."
This doesnt mention faults on the dash, only that we would have flickering. And you edited that the PNP and lights are not returnable after this post was written.
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 09:09 PM   #18
chris s
Major General
chris s's Avatar
1250
Rep
6,912
Posts

Drives: 2022 Dravit G80 M3
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: New York

iTrader: (12)

So these can't be coded at the dealer?
__________________
2022 Dravit/Fiona M3cx - Dinan midpipe w/VC, NW Carbonhaus CF, AST Springs, FC Spacers...more to come!
2016 Indi F80 M3 - SMB|Amaro | Mode Carbon | ESS | Akra EVO | KW HAS...SOLD
2012 MR e92 M3 DCT, ESS SC, Brembo BBK, BBS FI... GONE but not forgotten!
2008 AW e92 M3 6MT, ESS SC, BBS LM's...SOLD!
Appreciate 0
      05-15-2010, 09:13 PM   #19
tom @ eas
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor
tom @ eas's Avatar
United_States
8105
Rep
18,794
Posts


Drives: BMW
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Anaheim, CA

iTrader: (19)

Garage List
2018 BMW i3s  [0.00]
2010 BMW M3  [6.50]
2015 BMW M4  [5.25]
Quote:
Originally Posted by A1 RDL View Post
I dont read e90post since i have an E92. The post you posted on M3Post was this - http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382162 and on this you edited post #1 to read "Edit: Coding from an independent with an Autologic programmer will be required to fully remove disable BulbCheck. Coding has been completed, let me know if you need in-house coding from us or would like us to direct you to a local. Lighting assemblies and PnP harness are not returnable."
This doesnt mention faults on the dash, only that we would have flickering. And you edited that the PNP and lights are not returnable after this post was written.
You still need to contact autologic for someone in your area since you are not local to our shop. I have been very clear that the lamps would need coding, even before the project started. If you were local - this would be taken care of in less than 20 minutes. Unfortunately since you're in FL - this isn't the case.

I also want to touch on your last statement, since it implies we are dishonest. We never "edited" a page after your purchase was made - this was standard policy from the beginning on this item.

However as stated before: you still require coding for proper operation of the lamps - this is a move you need to make in order to get the situation resolved. If your technician should have questions prior to coding - I am here to help.

If you should have any further questions or concerns or feel the need to vent - please PM or email me directly. Please understand I am on your side and do not have an agenda to ruin your weekend.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris s View Post
So these can't be coded at the dealer?
BMW dealers do not have access to the proper procedures to make this work. This may change with the release of the BlackLines if LED-based.
__________________
Tom G. | european auto source (eas)
email: tom@europeanautosource.com · web: https://europeanautosource.com· tel 866.669.0705 · ca: 714.369.8524 x22

GET DAILY UPDATES ON OUR BLOG · FACEBOOK · YOUTUBE · FLICKR · INSTAGRAM
Appreciate 0
      05-16-2010, 11:03 AM   #20
SECRET M
Engineer
SECRET M's Avatar
35
Rep
277
Posts

Drives: N/A
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Northern California

iTrader: (1)

what are blacklines?
__________________
[Sold] 2008 BMW ///M3 :: Space Gray|Black
Appreciate 0
      05-16-2010, 11:49 AM   #21
RandyB
Lieutenant Colonel
RandyB's Avatar
United_States
20
Rep
1,504
Posts

Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Thumbs up

Tom,

Could you please post some images of the wiring harness piece that you have made? Great product!

Thanks!
__________________
'09 E92 M3 6MT | Alpine White | Black Leather | EDC | CL Trim | 19s
'03 E46 330i 6MT | Electric Red | Black Leather | ZSP | Bi-Xenons
Appreciate 0
      05-16-2010, 12:47 PM   #22
montreal red
chris
montreal red's Avatar
Canada
278
Rep
12,144
Posts

Drives: White Boat
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Toronto

iTrader: (31)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyB View Post
Tom,

Could you please post some images of the wiring harness piece that you have made? Great product!

Thanks!
+1
i would like to see the how the wiring harness looks like and where you placed it.
__________________

Current: 2013 F10 M5 & 2016 Mini JCW
2013 GLK350 (gone), 997.1 GT3RS (gone), 2009 WRX STI (gone), e92 M3 (gone)
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:56 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST