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08-25-2011, 01:29 PM | #23 |
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+1 on the M3 steering feel. In normal it feels too light and boosted, in M mode, it feels too heavy - almost artificially weighted.
The M3 overall is very soft and cushy, not very involving to drive if you are used to fast nimble cars. I drove the 911 Carrera S. I like the power of the 911 but the Cayman S feels much more balanced and tossable. The Porsches also have great steering feel which is lacking in the M3. |
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08-25-2011, 06:36 PM | #25 |
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Stingray, I do agree... as a performance option, Vette's are really amazing. If Chevy can ever get the interior and seats up to M3/Porsche levels then a Vette would absolutely be VERY high on my list of cars. For me, I can't get past the crappy seats and horrible (to me) dash as I have to live in that environment everyday regardless of how much the car would kick my M3's ass on the track
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08-25-2011, 08:50 PM | #27 |
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So you have an M3 and a C2S and you wanna talk about penis size?
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I have owned a 997S, a 996 GT3, Cayman S, C5 and C6 ZO6, and a E92 M3, with street and track experience in all. The GT3 was the most fun, and the most challenging to drive well. The 997 GT3 is a better street car, but that’s getting pricey. Some of your communication criteria might leave the ZO6 a little short, but it is one heck of a car, and, driven well, the fastest of the bunch. Porsche quality is good, but not commensurate with the cost, especially new. Fun on public roads at legal speeds…..think maybe that’s an oxymoron, but, assuming average driving ability, my guess would be the Cayman S.
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I think you'll have to drive them all and decide on yourself and get ideas from previous owners. But we all have different tastes and criteria.
I think the most fun will be the GT3 or Cayman, GT3 too harsh for the road. Best performer ZO6 but best all around for carrying people, comfort, all weather conditions, and good performance is the M3. |
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But along the lines that the OP is looking for, I'd suggest the Cayman S too. |
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The Evo really shows its strength when modified. But even the stock car is really fast. In this review, it killed the 911 Carrera, Lotus Elise SC on the mountain roads. http://www.insideline.com/nissan/gt-...the-world.html Quote:
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http://www.insideline.com/mitsubishi...mprobable.html In the C&D Lightning lap, it is within 1 second of the Cayman S, hardly a big difference on a huge 3 minute course at VIR. http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to_2011_page_8 But then we are kinda going OT here... Last edited by Z K; 08-30-2011 at 05:44 PM.. |
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There was actually a Road and Track print article back in 2006 that compares the Evo and Cayman S directly.
Here's a video: http://mfile.akamai.com/26193/wmv/ha..._cayman_hi.asx |
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Ha! Last weekend was wicked!!!
I know you know this, but it is not that a gt3 is too harsh at all, it is that most everything else is too soft, lol. I was thinking the other day that maybe I need Motons to stiffen up the front end in those > 1G corners. Just kidding! |
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I used to own a used '05 997.1 S 6MT. Now have a '11 E90 M3 6MT.
Porsche: Pros: more nimble, responsive and fun to drive. Felt faster. Beautiful design and shape. Cons: Ride was too stiff, need a comfort mode in PASM. Brake pedal too high for heel-toeing. BMW: Pros: superb engine, more comfortable daily driver and family car. More practical. Cons: not as pretty as the P car. Drinks more gas. That about sums it up, from my experience. Could elaborate more, but both are superb driver's cars. And I do miss the Porsche. |
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AMG developed this car to be driven on the track, its honestly overbuilt for the street (why else would it come with no back seats, R compounds, etc?) Though its not the fastest thing around the track, its still built with precision in mind. Its definitely a fun car. |
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As far as posing goes, that's non-sense. As much as I love the Mezger (have a .2 GT3) the 9A1 is also a marvel. Less weight ~13 lbs, iircc, less parasitic power loss due to less moving parts, while still retaining an integrated dry sump. Some people get all goofy when someone mentions "integrated". A dry sump is a dry sump, no matter where the sump is located. . As good as the Mezger is, it is an old, heavy design. It may go down as a desirable engine as years pass, but that doesn't mean that the newer tech isn't better. So far the 9A1 has proven very strong. We'll see once Porsche starts racing it. The 991 GT3/RSs will their engines based on the 9A1. Last edited by devo; 09-28-2011 at 08:17 PM.. |
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I can tell you for those not used to 500+ hp rwd vehicles, the z06 vette will be the most hair raising experience you will have, driving it at full throttle. White knuckle driving with the biggest smile on your face. The c63 amg gives the same feeling. Very raw driving experience. DD'ing the z06 is as comfortable as my e92 m3 coupe.
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Having owned for about 7 years all kind of M powered cars and then changing for the next 5 years to Porsche 996tt and 997tt and only a couple of days ago jumping back to the seat of a 2010 E92 M3 I think I can shed some light here... Although this is a BMW forum and despite the fact that was a hardcore M fan (having used my cars in all kind of motorsport fun from drag and steetracing to time attacks and multiple drift contests) I must admit that "there is no substitute for Porsche"... Ofcourse having said that I do realize that esp 996tt and 997tt are not a direct comparison with M3's as they are supercars... Quality and luxury is extraordinary and power and handling just can not be even comprehended... esp when tuned... NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING else less than a more tuned 99tt could even come close and I ended up racing streetbikes in order to have some fun... The experience you get from dirving such a car is priceless and can not be described accurately enough I am afraid... On the downside I did not use these cars as DD (although I do see how one can do it as they are fairly economical cars for what they offer and ultra strong and reliable) and I did miss RWD an awful lot these past 5 years. Now add here that the car was starting to lose it's value extremely fast in our problematic economy over here and it was becoming a very very expensive weekend toy (all things considered) and I replaced it with a less show-off, more usable, but still clean and reliable do-it-all all time favourite car, the M3, which I assure you (having owned every single M car in the past), is by the far the best of all....
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Don't take my comments as saying that one car is better than the others I have mentioned. I'm merely commenting on their comfort from a DD standpoint. |
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