EDC in M3 E92

White_Skull · 10-20-2013, 02:15 AM

how important is? would buy one without EDC? is because I am looking at one but not carried EDC!

Sandye90m3 · 10-20-2013, 03:21 AM

There is a lot information on it on this forum. In general this is what people would say:

1) Absolutely necessary, you are buying a 80k car and you need all options!

More logical answers:
2) Others would say, well, if you plan on modifying the suspension of the M3 (drop, coils, coil overs etc..) then there is no need for EDC

3) It is a nice option to have, because if you get a ZCP M3 it will have a factory drop of -10mm (I believe). Aesthetically, it'll look nicer, ride a little firmer, and handle a little bit better around the turns. As far as us average Joe Blow drivers, I don't think we'll be able to notice that much of a difference.

4) Lastly, some believe it's not worth the money. There is a slight difference between each setting in the EDC but not anything dramatic.

My opinion: I personally don't have EDC and have not sat in a M3 that has EDC. What I can tell you is that you aren't missing much. If you plan on tracking the car, you would notice some body roll that would be slightly cured with the EDC sport setting but if you are going that hard at track you might as well upgrade your whole suspension.

Is EDC nice to have? Yes it is, however it's not absolutely necessary. If I were you, I would look for a M3 that has EDC but if you come across one that doesn't have that option, don't let that stop you from purchasing it if all other criteria's are met.

jtodd_fl · 10-20-2013, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandye90m3

There is a lot information on it on this forum. In general this is what people would say:

1) Absolutely necessary, you are buying a 80k car and you need all options!

More logical answers:
2) Others would say, well, if you plan on modifying the suspension of the M3 (drop, coils, coil overs etc..) then there is no need for EDC

3) It is a nice option to have, because if you get a ZCP M3 it will have a factory drop of -10mm (I believe). Aesthetically, it'll look nicer, ride a little firmer, and handle a little bit better around the turns. As far as us average Joe Blow drivers, I don't think we'll be able to notice that much of a difference.

4) Lastly, some believe it's not worth the money. There is a slight difference between each setting in the EDC but not anything dramatic.

My opinion: I personally don't have EDC and have not sat in a M3 that has EDC. What I can tell you is that you aren't missing much. If you plan on tracking the car, you would notice some body roll that would be slightly cured with the EDC sport setting but if you are going that hard at track you might as well upgrade your whole suspension.

Is EDC nice to have? Yes it is, however it's not absolutely necessary. If I were you, I would look for a M3 that has EDC but if you come across one that doesn't have that option, don't let that stop you from purchasing it if all other criteria's are met.

Whoa. Sane and rational answer. No trolling. Weird.

mjposner · 10-20-2013, 08:08 AM

My opinion: I personally don't have EDC and have not sat in a M3 that has EDC. What I can tell you is that you aren't missing much. Respectfully this makes no sense.

If you have not felt the difference how can you give an opinion?

For example, automatics and manuals are far different. Would you say, I personally do not have a manual car and I have never sat in or driven a manual car, and then state an opinion you are not missing much?

You may be correct but your reasoning is flawed.

tdott · 10-20-2013, 08:38 AM

He formed an opinion based on hearsay.

You've figured out that opinion isn't worth much.

I can feel the difference between EDC settings and I find it to be a nice to have. But I haven't driven a non EDC car.

If the right car came up without EDC I probably wouldn't have let that stop me.

FVM3 · 10-20-2013, 09:09 AM

if you are planning to get coils, yo dont need it

EvenSteven · 10-20-2013, 09:24 AM

Serious suspensions don't need it, but you can preserve EDC function with sleeve overs. Personally I think the Comp or Dinan springs do a great job at pulling double duty on the street/track and I go between comfort and sport modes frequently (don't use sports plus mich at all, rare to find a glass smooth road in Texas.

mdosu · 10-20-2013, 11:22 AM

I can feel EDC settings in my car. I've also driven a non-edc M3 before. The differences between the two cars for an average Joe Blow driver is negligible. However, I do enjoy the EDC soft setting, it makes street driving on urban road just a bit more comfortable.

Endless619 · 10-20-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FVM3

if you are planning to get coils, yo dont need it

This.. I have it and never really used it. Now with coils, never use it.

Dougeefresh · 10-20-2013, 01:11 PM

There is definitely a noticeable difference k settings. Comfort mode is what I have for most driving situation, can fell the road but absorbs a lot of teeth rattling bumps and tone them down. When I turn it all the way I can definitely feel the road to a point that it's uncomfortable on a slightly bumpy road.
It's a nice feature to have just in case if you more out of your suspension without spending $ and time for aftermarket suspension but I have yet to be in that "just in case" situations.
And the lower stance with larger wheels do look nicer.

track_warrior · 10-20-2013, 01:16 PM

My first E90 M3 had edc and now i have a E92 M3 without edc. I can give you a bit of pros and cons.

-On the street EDC only makes things overly harsh, i always stayed in comfort mode.

-On the track EDC gave me no lap time advantage over edc in comfort. I was actually 2 tenths of a second slower in the hardest setting compared to the comfort setting.

- They are useless if you are getting Coilovers since you have to spend more to get edc emulator modules. So expect to pay around 300-700 more for a edc car if you are upgrading coilovers.

-Only advantage to me of the ZCP package are the wheels which also dont make sense if you will be changing them out for something aftermarket. And you can find used ones in the classifieds from the 900-1500 range and the premium some people ask for their cars compared to non comp package cars is ridiculous.

EvenSteven · 10-20-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by track_warrior

-On the track EDC gave me no lap time advantage over edc in comfort. I was actually 2 tenths of a second slower in the hardest setting compared to the comfort setting.

I remember reading something about this in a car mag, they concluded that unless road conditions were perfect (e.g. a nice smooth Nascar ring), the hardest setting bounced around too much and cost you time around the track.

Alpine300zhp · 10-20-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mdosu

I can feel EDC settings in my car. I've also driven a non-edc M3 before. The differences between the two cars for an average Joe Blow driver is negligible. However, I do enjoy the EDC soft setting, it makes street driving on urban road just a bit more comfortable.

This is correct. Although I usually roll with EDC in sport, I got ZCP for the 10mm drop and the wheels. Most people would never miss the EDC.

track_warrior · 10-20-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by EvenSteven

I remember reading something about this in a car mag, they concluded that unless road conditions were perfect (e.g. a nice smooth Nascar ring), the hardest setting bounced around too much and cost you time around the track.

I agree with that claim, it makes sense since my local track is not completely smooth.

Denk · 10-20-2013, 04:37 PM

I tested EDC and the standard suspension before I purchased my first e92 a few years ago. I preferred the standard suspension. The standard suspension was overall the best feeling to me. EDC comfort and sport settings didn't do anything for me, I would never use them on the roads I drive. Don't feel that the standard suspension is inferior, it's not...it just depends how you like the car to feel and what is important to you.

Sandye90m3 · 10-20-2013, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjposner

My opinion: I personally don't have EDC and have not sat in a M3 that has EDC. What I can tell you is that you aren't missing much. Respectfully this makes no sense.

If you have not felt the difference how can you give an opinion?

For example, automatics and manuals are far different. Would you say, I personally do not have a manual car and I have never sat in or driven a manual car, and then state an opinion you are not missing much?

You may be correct but your reasoning is flawed.

Because if it was an amazing of an option that changed the way the car drove that dramatically, every car reviewer would talk about it for ends time whether it was Chris Haris, Jeremy Clarkson, etc...

That too, I've driven Porsche Cayenne with the similar dampening control and notice a slight difference, similar to a Audi S4, S5, and BMW M5. My dads C4S has the PASM (dampening setting) button and man there is no reason to even turn that thing on, on a street.

slicer · 10-20-2013, 07:17 PM

I have had an m3 with it and one without. I ordered my latest car without it because it's useless with coilovers which I installed immediately. I rarely used the EDC settings when I had it. I don't miss it at all. In fact with coilovers you need to buy a code deleter or custom coding and you are left with an unused EDC button.

dparm · 10-20-2013, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EvenSteven

I remember reading something about this in a car mag, they concluded that unless road conditions were perfect (e.g. a nice smooth Nascar ring), the hardest setting bounced around too much and cost you time around the track.

Remember that the firmest setting in EDC on a ZCP car is actually different than a non-ZCP.

It is true that a non-ZCP car in the firmest setting will probably not do as well on a track with elevation change -- I believe the guys at M actually said it would be better to just leave it in the middle (Normal) setting under those conditions.

EvenSteven · 10-20-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dparm

Remember that the firmest setting in EDC on a ZCP car is actually different than a non-ZCP.

It is true that a non-ZCP car in the firmest setting will probably not do as well on a track with elevation change -- I believe the guys at M actually said it would be better to just leave it in the middle (Normal) setting under those conditions.

Yes, the ZCP package's Sport mode is dynamic, which should make it more adroit at bumpy roads, but I don't know if it is wouldn't still be better just to stay in Normal even for ZCP cars. I do know, having driven both versions of the car, when you do have a perfect road, the stiffer non-ZCP Sport mode works better. It's almost like having coils, or at least the spine can't tell a difference.

Sinister Crayon · 10-21-2013, 09:24 AM

For my part (E90 with EDC) I will say that for daily driving duties, the difference in the suspension is rather negligible. However, when you want to drive hard it IS nice to be able to switch the suspension to sport+ and get a quite different driving experience. I definitely feel more in control when I dial this car up to 11 than in the normal "softer" modes... but again for daily driving I would consider it negligible.

However, having said all that I will say that being able to switch it to comfort has actually been good at times. There's a stretch of I-255 in Illinois that has an absolutely horrible road surface. I was driving home on Saturday night with a couple of drunk women in the back seat... no, it wasn't that great. Anyway, not feeling like pulling over or having to hose out my back seat I switched the suspension to "Comfort" mode on the way home and it was noticeably smoother along that horrible bit of highway. It also quietened down the complaints about the ride from the rear

1MOREMOD · 10-21-2013, 09:32 AM

i agree with what some of the other track rats have said here. it has no value if you track your car, stiff made me slower as well and felt normal was the best setting at the track. which is what you get without edc. if you dont track it may actually be more worth it that if you do. as mdosu said you can make the suspension squishy and compliant for tooling around town.

stiff on edc to me feels like it only effects rebound and made the car choppy without being able to absorb compressions any better. actually makes car handle worse in most track situations. for that you need stiffer compression and low and high speed.

Edward · 10-21-2013, 10:00 AM

Personally woulnd't ever get this car without ZCP.
The flexibility is nice to have. My default driving mode is one light on. When I am driving on the actual freeway, I go down to the softest setting to absorb the bumps better at higher speeds. Only on really smooth streets or if I'm driving more aggressively, I will go to the stiffest setting.

I agree that it probably wouldn't make a lap time difference if I ever tracked this car, however, the car is easier to read as the rear wants to break loose if you are on the stiffest setting.

10-20-2013, 02:15 AM	#1
White_Skull New Member 3 Rep 11 Posts Drives: BMW X6. Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Costa Rica. iTrader: (0)	EDC in M3 E92 how important is? would buy one without EDC? is because I am looking at one but not carried EDC!
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10-20-2013, 03:21 AM	#2
Sandye90m3 Major 167 Rep 1,159 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Calgary, CA iTrader: (0)	There is a lot information on it on this forum. In general this is what people would say: 1) Absolutely necessary, you are buying a 80k car and you need all options! More logical answers: 2) Others would say, well, if you plan on modifying the suspension of the M3 (drop, coils, coil overs etc..) then there is no need for EDC 3) It is a nice option to have, because if you get a ZCP M3 it will have a factory drop of -10mm (I believe). Aesthetically, it'll look nicer, ride a little firmer, and handle a little bit better around the turns. As far as us average Joe Blow drivers, I don't think we'll be able to notice that much of a difference. 4) Lastly, some believe it's not worth the money. There is a slight difference between each setting in the EDC but not anything dramatic. My opinion: I personally don't have EDC and have not sat in a M3 that has EDC. What I can tell you is that you aren't missing much. If you plan on tracking the car, you would notice some body roll that would be slightly cured with the EDC sport setting but if you are going that hard at track you might as well upgrade your whole suspension. Is EDC nice to have? Yes it is, however it's not absolutely necessary. If I were you, I would look for a M3 that has EDC but if you come across one that doesn't have that option, don't let that stop you from purchasing it if all other criteria's are met. __________________ M3.E90 JZB *Coded.GTSDCT.BomizValved.TurnerTestPipes.ResDelete .EurochargedTune.AAFilter.HRER40s*
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10-20-2013, 08:08 AM	#4
mjposner Brigadier General 898 Rep 3,071 Posts Drives: 2020 Z4 40i Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Southwest Florida iTrader: (3)	My opinion: I personally don't have EDC and have not sat in a M3 that has EDC. What I can tell you is that you aren't missing much. Respectfully this makes no sense. If you have not felt the difference how can you give an opinion? For example, automatics and manuals are far different. Would you say, I personally do not have a manual car and I have never sat in or driven a manual car, and then state an opinion you are not missing much? You may be correct but your reasoning is flawed. __________________ Previous BMW: 16 M4, 13 M6; 14 M235i, 12 BMW M3; 11 BMW M3; 08 BMW M3; 08 BMW Z4M; 04 X3; 02 M3 Convertible; 02 M3; 00 M Roadster; 94 325 convertible; 92 325i Convertible; and 85 635csi My Car Photo Blog: http://carfisheye.blogspot.com/
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10-20-2013, 08:38 AM	#5
tdott Brigadier General 3938 Rep 3,980 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South FL / 6ix iTrader: (4)	He formed an opinion based on hearsay. You've figured out that opinion isn't worth much. I can feel the difference between EDC settings and I find it to be a nice to have. But I haven't driven a non EDC car. If the right car came up without EDC I probably wouldn't have let that stop me.
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10-20-2013, 09:24 AM	#7
EvenSteven Banned 17 Rep 394 Posts Drives: '11 m3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: United States iTrader: (0)	Serious suspensions don't need it, but you can preserve EDC function with sleeve overs. Personally I think the Comp or Dinan springs do a great job at pulling double duty on the street/track and I go between comfort and sport modes frequently (don't use sports plus mich at all, rare to find a glass smooth road in Texas.
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mdosu Banned 314 Rep 8,496 Posts Drives: Double Vanos'd Civic-M3 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: San Francisco iTrader: (6)	I can feel EDC settings in my car. I've also driven a non-edc M3 before. The differences between the two cars for an average Joe Blow driver is negligible. However, I do enjoy the EDC soft setting, it makes street driving on urban road just a bit more comfortable.
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10-20-2013, 01:11 PM	#10
Dougeefresh Second Lieutenant 76 Rep 268 Posts Drives: 2011 E92 JB Join Date: May 2013 Location: Earth iTrader: (1)	There is definitely a noticeable difference k settings. Comfort mode is what I have for most driving situation, can fell the road but absorbs a lot of teeth rattling bumps and tone them down. When I turn it all the way I can definitely feel the road to a point that it's uncomfortable on a slightly bumpy road. It's a nice feature to have just in case if you more out of your suspension without spending $ and time for aftermarket suspension but I have yet to be in that "just in case" situations. And the lower stance with larger wheels do look nicer. Last edited by Dougeefresh; 10-20-2013 at 01:30 PM..
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10-20-2013, 01:16 PM	#11
track_warrior Captain 98 Rep 728 Posts Drives: F80 M3 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Merida, Yucatan iTrader: (1)	My first E90 M3 had edc and now i have a E92 M3 without edc. I can give you a bit of pros and cons. -On the street EDC only makes things overly harsh, i always stayed in comfort mode. -On the track EDC gave me no lap time advantage over edc in comfort. I was actually 2 tenths of a second slower in the hardest setting compared to the comfort setting. - They are useless if you are getting Coilovers since you have to spend more to get edc emulator modules. So expect to pay around 300-700 more for a edc car if you are upgrading coilovers. -Only advantage to me of the ZCP package are the wheels which also dont make sense if you will be changing them out for something aftermarket. And you can find used ones in the classifieds from the 900-1500 range and the premium some people ask for their cars compared to non comp package cars is ridiculous. __________________ Compensating a heavy car with horsepower is like giving an alcoholic cocaine to sober him up...
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10-20-2013, 04:37 PM	#15
Denk Brigadier General 1006 Rep 3,341 Posts Drives: 2021 X5M Join Date: May 2011 Location: PNW iTrader: (2)	I tested EDC and the standard suspension before I purchased my first e92 a few years ago. I preferred the standard suspension. The standard suspension was overall the best feeling to me. EDC comfort and sport settings didn't do anything for me, I would never use them on the roads I drive. Don't feel that the standard suspension is inferior, it's not...it just depends how you like the car to feel and what is important to you.
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Sinister Crayon floccinaucinihilipilifica tion 15 Rep 249 Posts Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: May 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO iTrader: (0)	For my part (E90 with EDC) I will say that for daily driving duties, the difference in the suspension is rather negligible. However, when you want to drive hard it IS nice to be able to switch the suspension to sport+ and get a quite different driving experience. I definitely feel more in control when I dial this car up to 11 than in the normal "softer" modes... but again for daily driving I would consider it negligible. However, having said all that I will say that being able to switch it to comfort has actually been good at times. There's a stretch of I-255 in Illinois that has an absolutely horrible road surface. I was driving home on Saturday night with a couple of drunk women in the back seat... no, it wasn't that great. Anyway, not feeling like pulling over or having to hose out my back seat I switched the suspension to "Comfort" mode on the way home and it was noticeably smoother along that horrible bit of highway. It also quietened down the complaints about the ride from the rear
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10-21-2013, 09:32 AM	#21
1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	i agree with what some of the other track rats have said here. it has no value if you track your car, stiff made me slower as well and felt normal was the best setting at the track. which is what you get without edc. if you dont track it may actually be more worth it that if you do. as mdosu said you can make the suspension squishy and compliant for tooling around town. stiff on edc to me feels like it only effects rebound and made the car choppy without being able to absorb compressions any better. actually makes car handle worse in most track situations. for that you need stiffer compression and low and high speed. __________________ 02 Tiag e46 M3\|6MT\|GC plates\|MCS c.o.\|GC bars\|GC race control arms\|GC bushings\|BW eng. & tran. mounts\|subframe kit\|BW race shifter\|BW Jaffster\|Euro header\|BW exhaust\|K&N c.a.i.\|Epic race tune\|Rouge pulleys\|Seibon CF hood\|CSL bumper\|apr gt 250 & splitter\|ST-40\|XR-2\|SS lines\|half cage\|Recaro profi\|Profi 2 harness\|BMWpedals\|BW studs\|
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10-21-2013, 10:00 AM	#22
Edward Colonel 377 Rep 2,982 Posts Drives: 2013.9999 E92 Jerez ZCP Join Date: May 2010 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (2)	Personally woulnd't ever get this car without ZCP. The flexibility is nice to have. My default driving mode is one light on. When I am driving on the actual freeway, I go down to the softest setting to absorb the bumps better at higher speeds. Only on really smooth streets or if I'm driving more aggressively, I will go to the stiffest setting. I agree that it probably wouldn't make a lap time difference if I ever tracked this car, however, the car is easier to read as the rear wants to break loose if you are on the stiffest setting.
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