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Bad crash test results for 5-series!!!
I heard on news yesterday in my local news about the bed crash results, I don’t know why, they said that cheaper cars like kia and other low pricing cars are better in crash tests then the new bmw cars including 5 series and 3 as well yesterday I saw on yahoo.com a movie about the crash I try to look for it but I couldn’t find it what you guys think? :mad:
There you go i found it http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/crash_tes...CDFzPt3jbq188F |
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08-17-2007, 10:05 AM | #5 |
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Umm, I have to be honest. This has never been much of a deciding factor for me in sports oriented auto and it doesnt make me wanna a run out and buy a Kia for sure.
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Yup, when I saw the Korean car test before the 5 series. I was really surprised. Hopefully it does not apply to the rest i.e. 3s and Ms.
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Although I woundn't discount the results, this test outcome has everything to do with the design of the test. It could simply be related to the location of the support beams in the doors or something, and the Kia's positioning might favor the test condition more than BMW's. If the test is representative of real life crashes, then BMW might need to do some redesign, but I doubt that they would have missed out on something like this in their own tests. If the test is not all that representative of real life crashes, then who cares, which is naturally what BMW is claiming.
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My experience with the 5 series has been disappointing since the day it came out in 2003. The interior quality could not campare with my E39 540i and then there's the looks. So I am not surprised entirely by the results.
The E90/92 IMHO are built better, look way nicer and give you way better bang for the buck. I could never understand the E60 530i people with their bigger car and initially......dinky 225HP engine.... Now the 535i is something else and the 08' facelift seems to have erased a lot of the earlier issues with the car. |
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I heard the report on the radio as well. Was really disappointed. However the 3er looks like 5 stars for both rear side and rear front crash safety (source Yahoo Autos).
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BMW spokesman Thomas Plucinsky said the institute's test indicated the 5 Series has a strong body structure but the dummy was injured when it was hit by the arm rest. Plucinsky said BMW does up to 12 crash tests on all its cars as well as computer simulations of crashes. "The issue is that depending on the location of seat, the location of dummy, the location of the sled, the results could change," he said. "This was one test on one day on one car."
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I'm sorry to say that BMW's response to the results was a defensive bunch of excuses in an attempt to cover their as..... The bottom line is that they can't afford to end up last in tests like these. If the test was conducted fairly and consistently across brands, BMW has no excuses ---- they need to improve their products.... period, end of story. Having an inexpensive, low-cost producer come out better in this test is embarrassing and just adds salt to the wounds.
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That said, it's still a problem, but the way to keep track of this is to go to the "Informed For Life" web site, where they take a look at all available safety testing results (plus car weight), and integrate those into a single score. They don't have these newest results yet, but will have them integrated soon, I'm sure. Bruce |
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Agreed. My wife saw this last night on the news and she drives an E60. The news report made a big deal about how the Kia is safer than the much more expensive BMW. I like others believe that the test result does not truly reflect the safety of the car in a real world situation. That said, I told my wife that if she feels unsafe, we should dump the car. I wonder whether efforts to reduce weight during the development phase are a cause of this test result. |
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I strongly feel that BMW also considered the cost factor as well as weight factors on this. I like the E60.........but.........I still feel the E90/E92 are better cars and I am 100% confident that the next-gen 5er will be a much better quality car in all areas- including safety...... In the meantime have your wife sit in the middle of the car when she drives............ |
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Actually the test in question was set up to mimic a real life SUV or truck. It didn't attempt to mimic a car at all. Arguably not terribly "real life" at all.
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Every test is a simulation. Simulations, by definition, attempt to model reality. That doesn't mean they are realistic or accurate. Just study the crash test designs the government was using 20 years ago. Do you consider them to be realistic? Not even the government considers them to be realistic as they have greatly improved upon them. The point is there is room for error in any such test. And, speaking as a scientist, n=1 does not exactly yield conclusive results. All I am saying is that I am skeptical by training. And when I see people reaching significant conclusions like this because a single test of some kind yielded a certain result, I defer judgment. I need more data to be convinced. I need real crash data to supplement test data (with higher ns of course). What are the fatalities associated with side-impact crashes the 5 series has been involved with over the past 5 years? How does that compare the Kia's? (Although I agree that would not exactly establish cause and effect). It sounds more like the press got a hold of a piece of information they would like to trumpet: "$25 car is safer than $60". Given the general standards of engineering associated with the two products, I have no reason to believe that is the case unless I see some data one can draw conclusions from. |
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I guess my point is that the government test protocols are rather questionable. Even if one is conviced that the design of the actual tests are realistic, n=1 is a show stopper. No scientist in his/her right mind would draw conclusions from a single data point--especially the kind of conclusion that will be disseminated to the whole public as a guideline. Imagine what would happen if drug studies were conducted that way! With all that said, it might very well be that the Kia is safer than the 5-series for side impacts. But I think the chances of that happening is lower than the chances of BMW engineers designing and testing this thing right from a safety perspective, and I'll go with that unless the government comes up with comprehensive data that warrant the conclusion. |
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