C&D's Lightning Lap 2011

Lexura · 12-29-2010, 02:27 PM

Here are the C&D's Lightning Lap 2011 lap times :

RS4 - 3:11.2
S4 - 3:10.6
Mustang GT 5.0 - 3:08.6
E63 - 3:06.8
C63 - 3:06.5
Cayman S - 3:05.8
Carrera S - 3:05.8
M3 - 3:05.4
2011 ISF - 3:05.4
CTS-V coupe - 3:04.0
GTR - 2:55.6

M3 is tied with the 2011 IS-F. C63 is a little less than a second behind. I guess the IS-F is not a slouch anymore..

Crazy Bimmer · 12-29-2010, 03:01 PM

wow a proper LSD did wonders for the IS-F. Kudos to them.

GTR.. dang what a beast. Was it the 2012 model?

008 · 12-29-2010, 03:07 PM

These are the 2010 lap times.

Crazy Bimmer · 12-29-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 008

These are the 2010 lap times.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...p_2011-feature

HBspeed · 12-29-2010, 03:13 PM

This is a mixture of 2011 and older times. Therefore the results obviously aren't the same day/weather conditions/ driver etc.

Plus any test that has the E92 M3 posting a faster lap than the 997.1 Turbo and the 997.2 Carrera S should be taken with a large grain of salt.

Crazy Bimmer · 12-29-2010, 03:16 PM

^ You right.

Here is exactly what they tested for 2011

Mprofiler · 12-29-2010, 03:21 PM

yeah some of the times are older. Hopefully they will have a new comparo with the m3 sedan with comp pack, isf and the new face-lifted c63 with mct.

ssabripo · 12-29-2010, 03:43 PM

the M3 number is from 2008 correct? if so, it doesn't have DCT nor Competition package, which should shave a considerable amount off that time...

Lexura · 12-29-2010, 04:15 PM

Here is what the article said about the performance of the IS-F:

"Three years back, an IS F turned a less-than-impressive 3:14.0. We said then, “A little attention to springs and damping might make this eager contender a real champ,” as the stiffly sprung F zapped confidence in high-speed corners.

Boy, were we right. Lexus has since tweaked all suspension elements. Spring rates are down in the front and up in the rear, and there are larger anti-roll bars, stiffer subframe bushings, and longer bump stops, which effectively increase spring rates when the car is nearing its maximum roll angle. Lexus also lightened the front hubs and control arms and slapped a Torsen limited-slip differential in the rear axle. The result is BMW M3–matching performance around VIR (3:05.4). That’s heady company for Lexus to be keeping. Especially considering that the IS F weighs 3801 pounds (195 more than the M3) and makes only two additional horsepower, at 416.

Lexus also redesigned the gauges, enlarging the tachometer and relocating it to the center of the instrument binnacle. But it could have removed the thing altogether because we did not so much as peep at it: The IS F’s audible shift warning is plenty loud, even when you are wearing a helmet. While the alert is slightly obnoxious on public roads, it lets you keep your eyes up when driving on a track.

The old F rolled around on the track like a keel-less boat in gusting winds. The aforementioned updates quell this tendency and increase confidence. Our backside impressions are supported by numbers: The F exits sector two 13.1 mph quicker than before, at 109.1. Steering is communicative, and the chassis is set up for safe, moderate understeer, but vector adjustment is just a throttle tweak away—the torquey engine (371 pound-feet) can break the rear tires loose easily. The brakes are fantastic, too. The pedal might be a tad wooden (more pliant pine than hard oak), but the system remains fade-free after multiple laps of abuse, something none of the other large sedans could claim this year. The 180-degree character change performed by this Lexus gives us hope that Toyota can still make fun-to-drive cars. Now where’s our Supra? "

Crazy Bimmer · 12-29-2010, 04:30 PM

You trying too hard.

Cdnrockies · 12-29-2010, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

You trying too hard.

+1 Agreed.

SCCAForums.com · 12-29-2010, 09:15 PM

The M3 was from 2010... and had Michelin Pilot Sport CUP tires!

IS-F has EARNED the CROWN from M3!

Buh Bye...

MVF4Rrider · 12-29-2010, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HBspeed

Plus any test that has the E92 M3 posting a faster lap than the 997.1 Turbo and the 997.2 Carrera S should be taken with a large grain of salt.

Crazy Bimmer · 12-29-2010, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com

The M3 was from 2010... and had Michelin Pilot Sport CUP tires!

IS-F has EARNED the CROWN from M3!

Buh Bye...

2009 article says the cup tires on the M3 only shaved 0.2 off the previous time with stock PS2.

So yes, stock for stock.. the IS-F is faster on this track by 0.2 seconds.

mastek · 12-30-2010, 12:17 AM

Wow - that's nice for a 3800 lbs car
370 lb-ft of NA torque is sweet business

Now how do you get around that laughable IS-F design!
It looks like a beefed up Corolla with body panels and .... its a Toyota

luckistryke · 12-30-2010, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastek

Wow - that's nice for a 3800 lbs car
370 lb-ft of NA torque is sweet business

Now how do you get around that laughable IS-F design!
It looks like a beefed up Corolla with body panels and .... its a Toyota

5.0L 416hp and 370 lb. tq w/ 3200 lb. in a Supra sounds good

newowner35i · 12-30-2010, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com

The M3 was from 2010... and had Michelin Pilot Sport CUP tires!

IS-F has EARNED the CROWN from M3!

Buh Bye...

2009 article says the cup tires on the M3 only shaved 0.2 off the previous time with stock PS2.

So yes, stock for stock.. the IS-F is faster on this track by 0.2 seconds.

. It's not faster than a m3 because the weather conditions were different and the m3 has a comp package

newowner35i · 12-30-2010, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newowner35i

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy Bimmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCCAForums.com

The M3 was from 2010... and had Michelin Pilot Sport CUP tires!

IS-F has EARNED the CROWN from M3!

Buh Bye...

2009 article says the cup tires on the M3 only shaved 0.2 off the previous time with stock PS2.

So yes, stock for stock.. the IS-F is faster on this track by 0.2 seconds.

. It's not faster than a m3 because the weather conditions were different and the m3 has a comp package

. Also temp

Dave07997S · 12-30-2010, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexura1414

Here are the C&D's Lightning Lap 2011 lap times :

RS4 - 3:11.2
S4 - 3:10.6
Mustang GT 5.0 - 3:08.6
E63 - 3:06.8
C63 - 3:06.5
Cayman S - 3:05.8
Carrera S - 3:05.8
M3 - 3:05.4
2011 ISF - 3:05.4
CTS-V coupe - 3:04.0
GTR - 2:55.6

M3 is tied with the 2011 IS-F. C63 is a little less than a second behind. I guess the IS-F is not a slouch anymore..

The Mustang Shelby GT500 did it in 3:04 flat...

Wow..

TRZ06 · 12-31-2010, 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

The Mustang Shelby GT500 did it in 3:04 flat...

Wow..

I am taking delivery of one next Friday

My first mod will be a full Griggs racing suspension.

550hp / 510 lbft of tq and a racing suspension underneath it all. I can't wait!!!

Oh, it will be my daily driver and taking the place of my M3.

mastek · 12-31-2010, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I am taking delivery of one next Friday

My first mod will be a full Griggs racing suspension.

550hp / 510 lbft of tq and a racing suspension underneath it all. I can't wait!!!

Oh, it will be my daily driver and taking the place of my M3.

Aaahhaaaa - I always knew u were a poser ... have fun in ur Bustang ;(

Dave07997S · 12-31-2010, 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRZ06

I am taking delivery of one next Friday

My first mod will be a full Griggs racing suspension.

550hp / 510 lbft of tq and a racing suspension underneath it all. I can't wait!!!

Oh, it will be my daily driver and taking the place of my M3.

Do you care at all about NVH? That Torque Arm bar can be loud, well at least from the experience of the one I drove.

Dave

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Lexura First Lieutenant 315 Rep 306 Posts Drives: 2023 BMW M3 Jahre Edition Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Minneapolis, MN iTrader: (0) Garage List 2023 BMW M3 Jahre [9.50] 2022 BMW X5M [0.00]	Here is what the article said about the performance of the IS-F: "Three years back, an IS F turned a less-than-impressive 3:14.0. We said then, “A little attention to springs and damping might make this eager contender a real champ,” as the stiffly sprung F zapped confidence in high-speed corners. Boy, were we right. Lexus has since tweaked all suspension elements. Spring rates are down in the front and up in the rear, and there are larger anti-roll bars, stiffer subframe bushings, and longer bump stops, which effectively increase spring rates when the car is nearing its maximum roll angle. Lexus also lightened the front hubs and control arms and slapped a Torsen limited-slip differential in the rear axle. The result is BMW M3–matching performance around VIR (3:05.4). That’s heady company for Lexus to be keeping. Especially considering that the IS F weighs 3801 pounds (195 more than the M3) and makes only two additional horsepower, at 416. Lexus also redesigned the gauges, enlarging the tachometer and relocating it to the center of the instrument binnacle. But it could have removed the thing altogether because we did not so much as peep at it: The IS F’s audible shift warning is plenty loud, even when you are wearing a helmet. While the alert is slightly obnoxious on public roads, it lets you keep your eyes up when driving on a track. The old F rolled around on the track like a keel-less boat in gusting winds. The aforementioned updates quell this tendency and increase confidence. Our backside impressions are supported by numbers: The F exits sector two 13.1 mph quicker than before, at 109.1. Steering is communicative, and the chassis is set up for safe, moderate understeer, but vector adjustment is just a throttle tweak away—the torquey engine (371 pound-feet) can break the rear tires loose easily. The brakes are fantastic, too. The pedal might be a tad wooden (more pliant pine than hard oak), but the system remains fade-free after multiple laps of abuse, something none of the other large sedans could claim this year. The 180-degree character change performed by this Lexus gives us hope that Toyota can still make fun-to-drive cars. Now where’s our Supra? "
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