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      08-13-2011, 10:48 PM   #1
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I am almost convinced that 2011 comp pack m3's are faster than the earlier e92/e90 m's. I had a 08 manual, but now my 2011 zcp dct e92 feels substantially faster. I know dct makes a significant difference, but the engine itself feels more responsive and eager to rev. It just feels more powerful and faster all around. I also notice big improvements in steering feel and overall handling which I can attribute to zcp and 10mm drop. But what about the engine? The engine sounds louder and more powerful... Am I imagining this? What do you guys think?

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      08-13-2011, 11:11 PM   #2
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I doubt it's substantially faster. But I thought I read somewhere that they did evolve the steering with the competition package

Maybe someone can comment who knows for sure.
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I got a 2011 manual comp package. They are the same. It just that you are driving DCT and it shift better/faster than you.

I still like my manual though.
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M3 ZCP are much faster than non-ZCP Civic M3s
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      08-13-2011, 11:36 PM   #5
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      08-13-2011, 11:43 PM   #6
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I doubt it's substantially faster. But I thought I read somewhere that they did evolve the steering with the competition package

Maybe someone can comment who knows for sure.
I've never seen steering mentioned as an upgrade with ZCP, but I have heard that they made some minor adjustments to the steering for M3's in general after complaints when it first came out.... I think I remember a couple of reviewers commenting on the (slight) steering difference...
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      08-13-2011, 11:49 PM   #7
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I got a 2011 manual comp package. They are the same. It just that you are driving DCT and it shift better/faster than you.

I still like my manual though.
Did you have an earlier e9x m3 before you got your 2011? The engine feels more responsive to throttle input than my 08, especially in sport plus mode. Dct vs 6mt aside. I observe a more eager to rev engine in my 2011. Snappier and more powerful. It feels a great deal faster than my 08, like it's on a whole different level.
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Was your 08 brand new or did you pick it up used? Maybe it's just in the mind, you feel much happier having an 11 rather than an 08 now and you think it's faster..

Side-note; I heard ZCP adds an extra 30HP/35TRQ is this true?
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      08-14-2011, 12:43 AM   #9
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engine sound should be identical, seems like just because you are feeling the difference between 6mt and dct more then 2008 vs 2011
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      08-14-2011, 01:39 AM   #10
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I recently traded from 2008 to 2011 ZCP... Overall, the car is way more refined. This is expected with any first year production car compared to a few years down the line. My steering does feel better, engine somehow feels a little nicer, the car does in fact "feel" faster but that's because every aspect of it has now been refined as much as possible within the last 4 years of production.
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I recently traded from 2008 to 2011 ZCP... Overall, the car is way more refined. This is expected with any first year production car compared to a few years down the line. My steering does feel better, engine somehow feels a little nicer, the car does in fact "feel" faster but that's because every aspect of it has now been refined as much as possible within the last 4 years of production.
I think this is the response OP was looking for. Makes perfect sense, but I will also have to say that most (or at least more than half) of the difference is still probably due to the DCT.

This makes me feel much better for not rushing and buying an 2009 M3 when I had the opportunity.
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      08-14-2011, 02:07 AM   #12
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It is placebo effect which can be pretty convincing as multiple randomized drug trials have shown.

I have driven the '11 ZCP. It does not feel any faster and engine responsiveness is identical. I will say that it does seem somewhat tighter around corners than older models but this is not a hugely significant difference in my opinion.

And, in answer to the hopefully sarcastic post above, the ZCP does not add HP or torque relative to the non-ZCP M3.
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And, in answer to the hopefully sarcastic post above, the ZCP does not add HP or torque relative to the non-ZCP M3.
I was going to say it... but I figured someone else would.

I was not sure if serious.
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      08-14-2011, 05:15 AM   #14
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I had the exact same impression going from a 2010 6MT to a 2011 DCT. So, not a 2008 to 2011 comparison but a 2010 to 2011 one but with the same impression.

The issue I think is the DCT. Not only does it make the car faster because of shifting, I have read that the gearing has changed. This could also be a big part of what you are feeling... the DCT gearing does, IMO, make the car feel more torquey and fast and revs more quickly but very likely just because of gearing. So, unlike what others might think, I do NOT believe you are experiencing a placebo effect but simply noticing the faster shifting of the DCT (vs 6MT) and the more aggressive gearing (torque to the wheels).

So, the engine is the same but the transmission makes the car feel very different. I would expect that if you compared a 2008 6MT and 2008 DCT you would have the same/similar impression.

On the handling/ZCP issue, it is hard to say if I notice any real difference... maybe slightly but only very slightly if at all. What you might be feeling is the stiffness of a new suspension versus a 3 year old suspension IMO.

For the "sound" of the engine, I also noticed that it seemed louder. At the first HPDE of the season, my car had a much more distinct intake/exhaust note. One of the flag guys is the head BMW tech for the local dealership. He is convinced that BMW did something to the cars to increase intake/exhaust sound as he has noticed the difference of several M3s. The other M3 guys also commented that my car sounded very different than the other e9x M3s there on the front straight at WOT. I originally thought maybe I had something wrong with the car (maybe a small exhaust leak) but I have now heard others make similar comments on their 2011s so maybe there was a tweak to the sound?
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You're just experiencing the awesomeness of DCT.
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My buddy has a 6MT and I can tell you from experience that I pulled away from him pretty easily when he was following me on the track. I had to constantly slow back down on the straights after exiting a corner. Here's a poor example of what I'm talking about because he had 1 adult, 2 kids riding with him:

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The ZCP is 10 mm lower, which reduces the drag coefficient by .0001. Since speed is a logarithmic function of drag, your new car is 1000 times faster than your old car.
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The ZCP is 10 mm lower, which reduces the drag coefficient by .0001. Since speed is a logarithmic function of drag, your new car is 1000 times faster than your old car.


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The ZCP is 10 mm lower, which reduces the drag coefficient by .0001. Since speed is a logarithmic function of drag, your new car is 1000 times faster than your old car.
Sarcasm aside, the ZCP maybe has some very small benefit in handling but as many point out, it's the DCT he is noticing in acceleration being stronger.
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Sarcasm aside, the ZCP maybe has some very small benefit in handling but as many point out, it's the DCT he is noticing in acceleration being stronger.
I still think "substantially" is a bit too strong to describe the difference, even if it is a DCT vs MT thing.
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