For $75k, what depreciates faster.

[auggiem3]

I'm considering my next purchase. After 2 consecutive new m3 coupe purchases (e46 and e92), I'm looking for a 4 door in late 2012 or early '13.

As I see it, I can either buy a brand new f30 m3 sedan with a European delivery or pick up a low mileage cpo f10 m5 within my budget - about $75k.

I tend to keep cars for 4-6 years. Although residuals account for only part of the consideration, I was wondering if anyone had a good feel for the numbers?

How do the 2008 e90 m3s hold up against the 2007 e60 m5s price wise?

[Foodle]

Good luck finding a used CPO F10 M5 for $75k in 2012.

[Raptor251]

Im sorry but this thread just makes no sense...

[Darth One]

we don't even know what msrp for either one of these cars will be.

[Raptor251]

Originally Posted by Darth One

we don't even know what msrp for either one of these cars will be.

Thats why this thread makes no sense! lol

[szcyxzh]

op, get a left over 2011 3 sedan now and consider f30 m3 or f10 m5 3-4 years later.

[rjd598]

08 e90's are about the same as 07 e60's

[Foodle]

Originally Posted by rjd598

08 e90's are about the same as 07 e60's

But the E60 M5 price has taken a nose-dive because of the imminent F10 M5 introduction.

[MDyDinanM]

lol at OP thinking he can get a CPO'd F10 M5 in later 2012 or early 2013

heck, delivery for the F10 M5 here in the US will start in late '12...

[auggiem3]

I'm under the impression that us deliveries start in may/June for the f10 m5 with us production of the f30 m3 in march/April 2013.

My question is not on values of cars yet to be released- its on last generation residuals that I'm attempting to use to baseline my thinking on the f10 and f30.

It seems only rjd can read the op clearly.

[auggiem3]

Originally Posted by auggiem3

I'm considering my next purchase. After 2 consecutive new m3 coupe purchases (e46 and e92), I'm looking for a 4 door in late 2012 or early '13.

As I see it, I can either buy a brand new f30 m3 sedan with a European delivery or pick up a low mileage cpo f10 m5 within my budget - about $75k.

I tend to keep cars for 4-6 years. Although residuals account for only part of the consideration, I was wondering if anyone had a good feel for the numbers?

How do the 2008 e90 m3s hold up against the 2007 e60 m5s price wise?

Originally Posted by TheLegendStig

You will be able to get a CPO M5 for that amount in end of 2014/beginning of 2015 earliest.

You do realize there is a usage restriction (miles and months) on cars to be CPOed, you cant just drive a car out of dealer's lot, drive 5 miles, bring it back and CPO it.

When I ordered my 08 m3, there were a number of 06-07 e60 m5 cpo cars available....I expect the same scenario next year.

[MDyDinanM]

Originally Posted by auggiem3

I'm under the impression that us deliveries start in may/June for the f10 m5 with us production of the f30 m3 in march/April 2013.

My question is not on values of cars yet to be released- its on last generation residuals that I'm attempting to use to baseline my thinking on the f10 and f30.

It seems only rjd can read the op clearly.

then I recommend you read this that states F10 M5s for the US will begin production, not delivery, in July.

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633490

BMW confirmed to us today that the 2013 F10 M5 (no 2012 model will be available in the US) will begin production for the US market in July 2012, with deliveries taking place a couple of months after that.

[JIO]

What about a low mileage '11 E90 M3? You can probably find one tucked away in a garage with less than 10K miles cheap. My '09 E92 M3 sits in the garage most of the time (I'm retired so I either walk or bike or Segway). Three years old last November, never been in rain, waxed many, many, many, many times...and has 4500 miles. Every option. At night I sit in the dark garage and I can hear it depreciate. Sounds like quarters hitting the cement floor.

[auggiem3]

Originally Posted by Darth One

we don't even know what msrp for either one of these cars will be.

Whoa? Really? No s*#@.

First, UK pricing is out. Extrapolating US MSRP within a reasonable range is common once euro or sterling pricing is available. Based on existing F10 M5 pricing, most folks are expecting a base for US buyers in the $88-$94k range.

Secondly, to reiterate the purpose of my post for those incapable of reading the ultimate question - I'm looking for insight into residuals on the e90 M3 (assuming it was bought new in '08/'09) vs. the value of an e60 M5 from the '06/07 era.

My intention is to employ this info (not as primary but an input into my consideration) for my next purchase under the assumption that the new F30 M3 sedan and F10 M5 will trend in a similar fashion when they come out in the '12/'13 timeframe.

[auggiem3]

Originally Posted by szcyxzh

op, get a left over 2011 3 sedan now and consider f30 m3 or f10 m5 3-4 years later.

Why, when I have a perfectly strong e92 M3 under warranty, would I trade it on an unwanted lot princess or a used '11 sedan?

I initiated the posting by saying that I keep cars for 4-6 years. My 08 is approaching the 4 year mark. I'm fine waiting an extra 6-12 months from year end to get into something revamped.

[auggiem3]

Originally Posted by mdyaman

then I recommend you read this that states F10 M5s for the US will begin production, not delivery, in July.

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633490

Thanks buddy - I've read it.

It doesn't change my question. You'll still be able to buy a CPO M5 in March '13.

[auggiem3]

Originally Posted by JIO

What about a low mileage '11 E90 M3? You can probably find one tucked away in a garage with less than 10K miles cheap. My '09 E92 M3 sits in the garage most of the time (I'm retired so I either walk or bike or Segway). Three years old last November, never been in rain, waxed many, many, many, many times...and has 4500 miles. Every option. At night I sit in the dark garage and I can hear it depreciate. Sounds like quarters hitting the cement floor.

I love the quarter analogy!

I'm looking for something a bit more fuel efficient next time (keeping fingers crossed on the M5) and hoping for something fresh. A switch from an e92 to an e90 would be 8-10 years in, essentially, the same car...I'm worried that i'll get bored.

The real draw of buying the M3 again is the ED - always wanted to do it.

Not really looking for a used M3 (or M5 for that matter but I'm clearly priced out of the new M5 market).

[rye m3]

Pretty fundamental that a new car will depreciate more than a used one. But, M5s have dropped in value like a stone and the last series wasn't even CPOd for a while. When you say, which will depreciate more, do you mean which will cost more? Makes it pretty hard to figure out, I would admit. I would say that the M5 only one year old is still going to drop a lot in value due to the higher cost. You could compare, but I believe M5 depreciation has been worse than M3 depreciation historically.

[auggiem3]

Originally Posted by rye m3

Pretty fundamental that a new car will depreciate more than a used one. But, M5s have dropped in value like a stone and the last series wasn't even CPOd for a while. When you say, which will depreciate more, do you mean which will cost more? Makes it pretty hard to figure out, I would admit. I would say that the M5 only one year old is still going to drop a lot in value due to the higher cost. You could compare, but I believe M5 depreciation has been worse than M3 depreciation historically.

This is exactly what I was hoping to get feedback on...have new m3s taken a bigger hit than 1 or 2 year old m5s over the same period?

Put in other words - if you bought a new e90 in 2008 for $65 vs buying a cpo e60 m5 (model year 07) with 15k miles For $65k - which one better retains value after you drive it for 5 years/ 60k incremental mies?

[regCT]

Agreed. e9x M3 is the last of the true M cars. These new turbo M cars will undoubtedly be much faster but also less involving to drive.

[MysticBlue]

After making a lifetimes worth of car purchasing decisions, I've come to the conclussion that resale value is not worth considering. Whatever the difference may or may not be between car A and car B, more than likely the difference is very small, relatively speaking. Whatever it is, it's not worth not getting the car you want. Get the car you want and if there is a few hundred or even a thousand dollar difference 4 or 5 years from now so what. You got to drive the car you wanted for 4 or 5 years. And it's all theoretical anyway, trying to look into the future. Just get the car you want and don't worry about future resale value.

[Mike van D]

^^^ what he said!