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08-28-2008, 05:05 PM | #1 |
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Dodge Viper ACR runs a record-breaking 7:22 lap around the Nurburgring
In car video of the new Dodge Viper ACR doing a record breaking 7:22 lap around the Nurburgring.
http://www.motortrend.com/av/feature...deo/index.html It seems like the car could probably do a faster lap than the one in the video as the driver seems to hit the rev limiter quite often, but what do I know. A few pics: |
08-28-2008, 06:53 PM | #5 |
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There were a couple of longer straights where he seemed to ride the limiter for several seconds, and also a couple of missed shifts into 3rd, but I'm in no position to evaluate the driving. I was actually surprised at how composed the Viper looked in that video. Driver made it look easy.
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08-29-2008, 08:47 AM | #8 |
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Great video!From my armchair seat it looked like there was some time left on the table,Bouncing off the limiter in the second gear stuff will not not slow the times much if at all as staying in a lower gear and avoiding 2 shifts and being able to use the engine braking to help the braking & turn in can be a very good thing.Bouncing off the limiter on the the Castle straight in 4 th gear for many seconds and not using 5th is strange,Car was sure touching down good and you have to wonder if a higher ride height might not have been a better choice.
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08-29-2008, 02:43 PM | #10 |
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I know the time is the point here and it is impressive. However, the sound, vibration and loosey-goosey shifter are simply a riot. Dodge quality FTW.
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08-29-2008, 02:47 PM | #11 |
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this makes sense for a car of that weight-power-tires + downforce (this is the key)
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Quality? For its intended purpose I'd bet that the car is actually overbuilt. As you know, traditions are hard to kill, and I can tell you that Dodge has one going back about 50 years in the narrow venue of very high performance machinery. That tradition can be described as one of providing high performance cars that run harder than you'd expect from the published specs, and run reliably while doing so. The American Club Racing nomenclature is a relative newcomer on the scene, but it continues that tradition. Bruce PS - Ever hear the Beach Boys' "Shutdown"? That was a really good car song, in my opinion, but the problem with it is that there is no way a 413 is going to lose to an injected Vette of the period. No way at all. Those cars ran hard, and were very heavy duty, front to back. With the pushbutton Torqueflite transmission, they were referred to as "dial-a-win". Just one of many examples, including my old Neon ACR. |
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08-30-2008, 12:03 PM | #15 |
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The ZR1 with R compounds and upgraded shocks should be able to match or beat this time...but I do think the ACR could run slightly faster too...but both of those cars are 7:20 or better when properly setup
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08-30-2008, 03:39 PM | #17 | |
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Absolutely insane...get Stuck in that car and let's see what time can really be done.
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08-30-2008, 03:59 PM | #18 |
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I have commented on the other thread but feel I should give an opinion of this here as well.
The Viper ACR may hold this title but compared to the cars before it, it is not in the spirit of the thing. The GTR is a car which is both comfortable, has a quality feel and can be used daily with little of no compromises what so ever, the same is true for the ZR1, a car that's suspension is actually softer than the car it's based on (the Z06), again it is something which could be used daily with little or no compromise. The list goes on, all of the Porsches, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, etc are perfectly acceptable as daily drives and all ride with a complacency that contradicts their abilities. Now look at the Viper in question, yes it's F'ing quick and yes it can handle but it's not something which could or would be used daily, the ride based on what we know and have seen in that video is not the sort of thing that would be classed as acceptable on anything other have a smooth race track, the quality plays a poor second to the function of making it quick, in fact I would go as far as to say no consideration was given to how it drive, apart from making the experience as raw as possible. This my friends is a bonafied race car for the road, the nearest thing to it is a F430 Scud and even it would feel like a Bentley by comparison. So you see my problem with classing this as a victory for Dodge over all the other true production cars. The thing needs to be classed in the modified class and as such wouldn't even be in the running. |
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08-31-2008, 03:16 AM | #22 |
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If you want a cheap, industrial, uncompromising trackday car which is hellish quick then by all means buy the Viper. Like I said on the other post, national pride is clouding your judgement and in this I can understand, I too would be feeling the same especially as American is the butt of all jokes when it comes to handling. But like I keep insisting, making something handle well is not the difficult part, making it handle and still feel like quality, ride well and have finesse in it's controls is what separates the good from the brilliant. Viper is the good and the rest that are up around it are the brilliant. You mention all the other brands I listed as ultra expensive to own and run and you are quite correct, the reality is that quality costs money, lots of it. That is why when one tunes their 335i they may achieve similar results as the M3 but it's no M3 and that is the thing, the Viper is the 335i and the GTR and others are the M3. If you were to put the Viper up against a car which is closest to it is philosophy then pick a Radical SR8, price would be similar and both can be driven on the road but the Viper would finish a distant second in any race that didn't involve maximum speed. Here's a video to show the difference between the two. Feel free to disagree but to me these cars are closer than any of the others, it too is totally uncompromising, though with it you are getting a quality in it's controls that the Viper could only dream of. P.S. Take these two away from the ring where top speed has such a bearing of lap time and you will see the Viper being totally destroyed by the Radical. |
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