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Uh, the E63 does not kill either easily, each car is very close to one another, a drivers race.
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You don't have experience with launch control, a good launch is hardly guaranteed and it varies based on traction. |
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02-27-2009, 11:34 PM | #25 | |
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With or without launch control, the Porsche should beat up on the others off the line. It has the best traction due to major rear weight. Bruce |
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02-28-2009, 12:34 AM | #26 | |
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I'm surprised the Porsche margin of victory wasn't larger. No, your car was not hindered by recent oil change or the drive to the location. Reading too many M3 forums will distort expectations. |
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Seriously, the guy doesn't have a single post without a smiley. It irks me. It irks me bad, man.
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No I actually really did like the smileys, no sarcasm.
Good races and I appreciate the info.
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I prefer to have control over the launch, myself, but I still think launch control does a better job than a human could, especially in poor track conditions.
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03-02-2009, 04:51 PM | #31 |
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I think thats debatable. What does it need to compensate for. All it needs to know is % of slip, and maintain what is considered optimal. I'd be willing to say the systems that used to be allowed in F1 are superior, or at least more consistant than a human. They used those driver aids to make the cars faster, amongst other things. If humans were better, they wouldn't have a need for traction control, launch control ect. Now I doubt the launch control we get on our road cars is as advanced, but I'm just talking about your statement, which I'm assuming is a blanket one.
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What about if you want to launch at 2000 rpm? Skrewed. 2500? Skrewed. What about slight gravel/sand? If launch control doesn't have grip, it doesn't work, a human being can still get a manual going and compensate for it. F1 is on a tarmac built to the highest level with tires and chassis built to the highest possible level. The M3 launch control is not even compareable. You have more control with a manual clutch 100% of the time and a computer can only do what it is programmed to do. Especially in poor conditions is where a manual rules, not launch control, which works best in perfect conditions not poor ones. |
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You can't program a system that will think the way in a human being does and be able to adjust like a human being can on the fly to various circumstances. This is not the same argument as to why a DCT can out shift a human, DCT has a mechanical advantage. Computers and sensors can't THINK, that is the essence of the difference. |
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The system in the M3 DCT would be perfect for an awd car but is crap in a rwd car with over 400hp at the rear wheels. |
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Your first point is correct. |
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The GTR launch contorl does amazing in all situations, wet, dry, slippy. I really don't think a human can match the GTR LC. M3 system on the other hand is a different story.
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Sure you car get wider tyres which will prove traction but as the car comes from the factory the LC setup is piss-poor compared to others. |
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As I said above, any awd car would benefit from the system provided in the M3 DCT, all that is required from an awd car is ample power, a strong clutch and a decent rev point that stop it from bogging down. Get those things right and you have in the case of the GTR a sub 3.5s 0-60mph.
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There are downsides as well, how about blowing the trans? With a RWD car, the launch can handle more power. |
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As LC comes from the factory, it is amazing that they let you launch up to 6000 RPM. It isn't designed to be an everyday street tool, it is designed for situations where you are in perfect traction conditions in order to achieve the best standing start. LC works just fine when you get experience with it. |
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WRONG, it's not the power that is the limiting factor with awd or rwd but the amount of traction. Increase the traction and you place the parts up stream under added stress. |
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As a tool the LC provided in the M3 as I see it is solely a variable rev point which you can control between 4500~6000rpm and it shifts gear for you at red line, it seems to provide no option of controlling the amount of wheelspin and as such it's quicker forgetting about it completely if like me you're seldom in the situation of ideal traction conditions. |
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