Intake vs. drop-in filter question

e.n335 · 02-25-2010, 09:08 AM

Hi everybody,

This is my first posting on M3post, coming from a 335i on e90post. I have my M3 since 24 hours

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What would be the HP / TQ advantage from the Dinan intake compared to a drop-in filter and which drop-in filter should be used ?

Thanks for your feedback.

Eugen

GT3 Tim · 02-25-2010, 09:25 AM

I doubt the difference is much at all.

From what I have seen, and experienced, the plastic connector between the air filter box and the intake manifold is a big source of restriction. I changed mine out with an ENVY Charge Pipe and couldn't be happier. The dyno shows roughly 14 hp or so by just changing out that pipe. When one changes the entire intake system, I think the gain was about 17hp. Thus, the charge pipe is the biggest source of restriction.

I installed an oiled filter (AFE I think, don't recall...they are all about the same) and the Envy Charge Pipe. I am very happy with it! I don't think you need to change out the entire intake system.

I would just swap the factory filter for a AFE or similar, then swap out the charge pipe if you like. I really don't think there is much at all to gain after that. I think buying a complete intake is just a waste of money, unless you like the looks of it enough to pay for it.

A couple pics of the charge pipe are in this thread... http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331782

Link to Technocrafts page (they offer a "complete system" as well): http://www.tecnocraft.com/Tecnocraft...ystem-P18.aspx

PM eric@pyspeed.com (supporting vendor) for a good price.

e.n335 · 02-25-2010, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT3 Tim

I doubt the difference is much at all.

From what I have seen, and experienced, the plastic connector between the air filter box and the intake manifold is a big source of restriction. I changed mine out with an ENVY Charge Pipe and couldn't be happier. The dyno shows roughly 14 hp or so by just changing out that pipe. When one changes the entire intake system, I think the gain was about 17hp. Thus, the charge pipe is the biggest source of restriction.

I installed an oiled filter (AFE I think, don't recall...they are all about the same) and the Envy Charge Pipe. I am very happy with it! I don't think you need to change out the entire intake system.

I would just swap the factory filter for a AFE or similar, then swap out the charge pipe if you like. I really don't think there is much at all to gain after that. I think buying a complete intake is just a waste of money, unless you like the looks of it enough to pay for it.

A couple pics of the charge pipe are in this thread... http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331782

Link to Technocrafts page (they offer a "complete system" as well): http://www.tecnocraft.com/Tecnocraft...ystem-P18.aspx

PM eric@pyspeed.com (supporting vendor) for a good price.

Thanks a lot ! Great info.

SpencerM3 · 02-25-2010, 11:13 AM

Forget the Dinan intake, contact Eric@PYSpeed about the Tecnocraft Envy Charge Pipe, http://www.pyspeed.com/product-p/tcc-8055.htm. I have it along with the Macht Schnell Filter and like it alot. PM Eric, he'll give you a great price.

Mack211 · 02-25-2010, 11:29 AM

Any Tecnocraft Envy Charge Pipe alternative to paying $600+ for one tube?
Is there any company that is making a non CF one that still looks clean / OEM?

e.n335 · 02-25-2010, 11:38 AM

The price is quite ok when the power will be there. What about the tape ? Is that really needed ? Which filter ? What are realistic hp/tq gains ? Sorry for that

.

PM'd Eric. Thanks in advance.

Eugen

e.n335 · 02-25-2010, 12:32 PM

Found a lot of information, thanks. Seems to be a good first mod

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Nawaaz · 02-25-2010, 02:36 PM

Hello Moderator!

I went with a BMC drop-in air filter, but you can go ahead and make me jealous by getting a full intake system.

SV Concepts II · 02-25-2010, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mack211

Any Tecnocraft Envy Charge Pipe alternative to paying $600+ for one tube?
Is there any company that is making a non CF one that still looks clean / OEM?

The Agency Power Charge Pipe is only $270

CF too.

you can find them on our website. Couple this with a dropin AFE or AA filter and maybe some RPI/AFE scoops and you're golden.

PYSpeed.com · 02-25-2010, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nawaaz

Hello Moderator!

I went with a BMC drop-in air filter, but you can go ahead and make me jealous by getting a full intake system.

Make Nawaaz Jealous..... hahaha

Have you guys seen this studio pic? And thank you guys for the support... =)

xxe92xx · 02-25-2010, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric@PYSpeed.com

Make Nawaaz Jealous..... hahaha

Have you guys seen this studio pic? And thank you guys for the support... =)

i have yet to see an independent dyno of this full "intake"

FStop7 · 02-25-2010, 03:30 PM

No comment on these "power pipes" but the stock intake system is very good.

Checkcaptain · 02-25-2010, 03:32 PM

Hallo Nachbar, ich habe auch seit einer Woche das Envy kit mit BMC Filter.
Es ist spürbar!

Gruss aus Deutschland

Quote:

Originally Posted by e.n335

Hi everybody,

This is my first posting on M3post, coming from a 335i on e90post. I have my M3 since 24 hours

.

What would be the HP / TQ advantage from the Dinan intake compared to a drop-in filter and which drop-in filter should be used ?

Thanks for your feedback.

Eugen

Fupa92 · 02-25-2010, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Checkcaptain

Hallo Nachbar, ich habe auch seit einer Woche das Envy kit mit BMC Filter.
Es ist spürbar!

Gruss aus Deutschland

Conspirators!

RandyB · 02-25-2010, 03:38 PM

It looks like houndstooth from a distance instead of CF, etc.

Checkcaptain · 02-25-2010, 03:49 PM

Negative - just Mafia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fupa92

Conspirators!

SpencerM3 · 02-25-2010, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Checkcaptain

Hallo Nachbar, ich habe auch seit einer Woche das Envy kit mit BMC Filter.
Es ist spürbar!

Gruss aus Deutschland

Why did I read that in a “scary” German voice? No offence my German comrades, but your language is kinda creepy, always sounds like you’re mad.

ChineseGuy · 02-25-2010, 06:04 PM

How does the pipes and the filters work with BMW servicing? When do they do the oil change and air filter for me, I don't know what they'll do when they see it...

MMMorish · 02-25-2010, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpencerM3

Why did I read that in a “scary” German voice? No offence my German comrades, but your language is kinda creepy, always sounds like you’re mad.

haha! Funny cause it's true.

Fupa92 · 02-25-2010, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChineseGuy

How does the pipes and the filters work with BMW servicing? When do they do the oil change and air filter for me, I don't know what they'll do when they see it...

Good question! Anyone swap out a filter or intake before their first service know the answer?

SHADY1 · 02-25-2010, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Checkcaptain

Hallo Nachbar, ich habe auch seit einer Woche das Envy kit mit BMC Filter.
Es ist spürbar!

Gruss aus Deutschland

Ahhh here is the translation in English

Hello neighbor, I've had the envy kit with BMC filter for a week.
I can feel it!

Hello from Germany

I had the Wifey translate this for me

SHADY1 · 02-25-2010, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpencerM3

Why did I read that in a “scary” German voice? No offence my German comrades, but your language is kinda creepy, always sounds like you’re mad.

The dude was Happy

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHADY1

Ahhh here is the translation in English

Hello neighbor, I've had the envy kit with BMC filter for a week.
I can feel it!

Hello from Germany

I had the Wifey translate this for me

02-25-2010, 09:08 AM	#1
e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	Intake vs. drop-in filter question Hi everybody, This is my first posting on M3post, coming from a 335i on e90post. I have my M3 since 24 hours . What would be the HP / TQ advantage from the Dinan intake compared to a drop-in filter and which drop-in filter should be used ? Thanks for your feedback. Eugen
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02-25-2010, 09:25 AM	#2
GT3 Tim Moderator 94 Rep 1,920 Posts Drives: 2014 MB E63S Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sacramento, CA iTrader: (0)	I doubt the difference is much at all. From what I have seen, and experienced, the plastic connector between the air filter box and the intake manifold is a big source of restriction. I changed mine out with an ENVY Charge Pipe and couldn't be happier. The dyno shows roughly 14 hp or so by just changing out that pipe. When one changes the entire intake system, I think the gain was about 17hp. Thus, the charge pipe is the biggest source of restriction. I installed an oiled filter (AFE I think, don't recall...they are all about the same) and the Envy Charge Pipe. I am very happy with it! I don't think you need to change out the entire intake system. I would just swap the factory filter for a AFE or similar, then swap out the charge pipe if you like. I really don't think there is much at all to gain after that. I think buying a complete intake is just a waste of money, unless you like the looks of it enough to pay for it. A couple pics of the charge pipe are in this thread... http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331782 Link to Technocrafts page (they offer a "complete system" as well): http://www.tecnocraft.com/Tecnocraft...ystem-P18.aspx PM eric@pyspeed.com (supporting vendor) for a good price. __________________ Tim <--- apparently likes "3" cars 2014 E63S -- The Rocket 2014 F30 328i -- Kids car 2008 E90 M3 -- Sold 2004 GT3 -- Sold 1997 M3/4 -- Sold 1995 M3 -- Sold
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SpencerM3 Sauce 75 Rep 2,023 Posts Drives: 2009 SSII E90 M3 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (1)	Forget the Dinan intake, contact Eric@PYSpeed about the Tecnocraft Envy Charge Pipe, http://www.pyspeed.com/product-p/tcc-8055.htm. I have it along with the Macht Schnell Filter and like it alot. PM Eric, he'll give you a great price. __________________ 2009 E90 M3 \| Silverstone II \| Black Novillo \| HRE P40's \| Akrapovic Exhaust \| Eibach Pro Kit \| Jet Black Kidney Grilles \| SSII Side Reflectors \| SSII Side Gills \| LUX H8 Angel Eyes \| Macht Schnell Filter \| Tecnocraft Envy Charge Pipe "M3 drivers have no friends." - Jeremy Clarkson
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Mack211 Lieutenant 23 Rep 497 Posts Drives: 2008 M3 - DCT Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Collins, CO iTrader: (0)	Any Tecnocraft Envy Charge Pipe alternative to paying $600+ for one tube? Is there any company that is making a non CF one that still looks clean / OEM? __________________ 2008 M3 Space Gray, Black, Syc Ant Wood Trim, DCT 2001 325ci Steel Gray - Sold
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02-25-2010, 11:38 AM	#6
e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	The price is quite ok when the power will be there. What about the tape ? Is that really needed ? Which filter ? What are realistic hp/tq gains ? Sorry for that . PM'd Eric. Thanks in advance. Eugen
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e.n335 Moderator 270 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	Found a lot of information, thanks. Seems to be a good first mod .
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Nawaaz Brigadier General 221 Rep 4,643 Posts Drives: . Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: . iTrader: (0)	Hello Moderator! I went with a BMC drop-in air filter, but you can go ahead and make me jealous by getting a full intake system.
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FStop7 I like cars 329 Rep 5,052 Posts Drives: M6 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Newbury Park, CA iTrader: (3)	No comment on these "power pipes" but the stock intake system is very good. __________________ My photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/racelap/
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ChineseGuy QuickShifter 137 Rep 1,500 Posts Drives: Black E90 Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: North Pole iTrader: (2)	How does the pipes and the filters work with BMW servicing? When do they do the oil change and air filter for me, I don't know what they'll do when they see it...
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