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All very valid points that get usually overlooked while comparing the two.
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I have a great idea......buy and drive what the hell you like and feels good to YOU and respect what others like. I really couldn't care less what lap times my car gets because 1) I'll only be in a position to where I can test its limits about 2-3 times per year; 2) It is, after all, a street car and 3) no matter how good I may think I am with it, there is always someone that is better with less car. |
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Raced 997.1S many times and m3 always taking the edge at high speeds. In the city won't feel the difference. Both MT, and raced with to different Porsches. 997.2s with PDK would take m3 MT or DCT,no metter
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No, I certainly agree that there is nothing wrong with being interested in how quickly a professional can drive a specific car around a track but there is absolutely no purpose in debating it ad nauseum or making it a deciding factor in one's car buying decision. At that point, it is merely a topic of bragging rights. |
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FTR, I used 3131 from an internet source but thought the S weighed in at 3175 which would return a 8.94 even. Shave another 100 lbs off the M because some believe it weighs less and the spread is still very close. Last edited by devo; 04-04-2011 at 07:51 AM.. |
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Agree the M3 pulls away from a .1 S up top. Thats the extra KW's kicking in. But in day to day there is that lack of low down torque when you need it sometimes. The .2 is a different story though....more evenly matched in top end. |
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Threads like this blow my mind, rather than talk about real world rewards the debate is based on seconds established by a race car driver.
If you want to buy and build a full on race car, you probably should not buy an M3. Also, the cayman S is very tight on the inside, not a whole lot of breathing room - people who have only a Cayman S and DD it are crazy in my mind. Having DD'd an S2000I know about tight spaces but for some reason the Cayman S feels tighter. The Carrera is and always will be the perfect size and shape for the traditional sports car, it's designed for performance and balance. The M3 is and always will be the best of both worlds, comfort and sports. If BMW wanted to go after the Carrera or the Cayman it would NOT be with an M3. The fact of the matter is most of us will spend 90% of the time commuting or driving on public roads in our cars. If you are looking for a race car, you're not looking at stock vs. stock. If you're going to compare a Carrera S to an M3, it should be more about the real world benefits rather than a hair of a second on some track. |
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Further there is absolutely nothing surprising to me about a lighter car with less hp roughly matching another. Basic physics. There is also nothing surprising about Porsche having sublime and effective handling.
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This would give me a 9.1lbs/hp for the 997S while the M3 would be right at 8.9lbs/hp. Not a great amount of difference, but the advantage would be for the M3. What is amazing that even with the slight deficit for the 997 the cars from the dig would be pretty darn even if driven properly. The 997 to get the best times mean you would have to drive it to the point where it would be axle hopping like mad, something you wouldn't want to do on a regular basis. While the M3 may spin, but I get very little axle hop with the M3 while the 997S hopped like mad to the point I thought the engine would drop out of its subframe. Dave
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I believe that a 997.1S weighed in at 3175 according to Porsche so your weight with Nav and heavy Bose is not that far off; maybe a bit optimistic according to Porsche but agin not too far off. I realize that the M is EU weight. Although the Porsche may not be I don't think it is dry. Anyway we agree on the general numbers, 8.9 vs. 9.1 is not that much of a difference and does favor the M. |
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