ESS M3 Supercharger Update

[askiles]

I know you are! Thanks, it might push to really get one. I really want one, I just have to get the wife to approve! Time to kiss some ass!

-Andy

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by askiles

I know you are! Thanks, it might push to really get one. I really want one, I just have to get the wife to approve! Time to kiss some ass!

-Andy

Always better to ask for forgiveness then permission just leave room in the budget for some ice.

[endofanera7]

This is THE kit!

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by askiles

I know you are! Thanks, it might push to really get one. I really want one, I just have to get the wife to approve! Time to kiss some ass!

-Andy

Pucker up!

Originally Posted by Rom3n

Always better to ask for forgiveness then permission just leave room in the budget for some ice.

So true.

[askiles]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

Always better to ask for forgiveness then permission just leave room in the budget for some ice.

Are you talking about for my blue balls after just going ahead and buying the system! I would need a lot of ice...my wife is hot! Anyways, back on subject...supercharger!

-Andy

[biglare]

Originally Posted by askiles

Are you talking about for my blue balls after just going ahead and buying the system! I would need a lot of ice...my wife is hot! Anyways, back on subject...supercharger!

-Andy

I'm in the same boat, but have not begin to discuss this with the wife. I'm sure that I'll just tell her after it is done and deal with it then. I hear there is strength in numbers, so maybe we should break the news at a local Phoenix Meet all together? Ha!

[chenghongchou]

nice product, but is come with front mount intercooler? it may cause engine too hot after abuse = =, that will make engine life shorter, Gpower come with intercooler, or just like HPA use water intercooler system, if ESS use water intercooler i will chose ESS exclude Gpower

[BMWCadet]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

I thought the US retail on the SKII kit was $18,500?

Autotalent must be running a huge discount.

Is the SKII rated at 600hp?

Of course they're selling it at a huge discount. I doubt GPower is selling very many $20k S/C's in this economy.

[BMWCadet]

Originally Posted by chenghongchou

nice product, but is come with front mount intercooler? it may cause engine too hot after abuse = =, that will make engine life shorter, Gpower come with intercooler, or just like HPA use water intercooler system, if ESS use water intercooler i will chose ESS exclude Gpower

What?

[mixja]

Originally Posted by chenghongchou

nice product, but is come with front mount intercooler? it may cause engine too hot after abuse = =, that will make engine life shorter, Gpower come with intercooler, or just like HPA use water intercooler system, if ESS use water intercooler i will chose ESS exclude Gpower

+1 - this system looks like it has no intercooler?

[Jiaim]

air-water intercoolers in the intake manifold

[askiles]

Originally Posted by chenghongchou

nice product, but is come with front mount intercooler? it may cause engine too hot after abuse = =, that will make engine life shorter, Gpower come with intercooler, or just like HPA use water intercooler system, if ESS use water intercooler i will chose ESS exclude Gpower

There is no front mount intercooler, instead there is a front mount heat exchanger. There is an air-to-water intercooler in the intake manifold that the air passes through to cool the pressurized intake air. The water flows through this, and then through the heat exchanger, to cool the coolant down. It is a great system, and more efficient for a daily driver. Plus, G-Power proved that the only way to get the piping to a front mount intercooler was by cutting the front radiator supports st the top, and run it over. I would not do that. Anyways, to answer your question as simple as possible, there is a system in place to cool the air going in the engine.

-Andy

[WKBRDR]

Looks great Rom3n! Which kit do you have installed on your ride, right now?
I'm still waiting for another ride with the bigger kit


-Rich

[sales@ESSTuning]

Originally Posted by askiles

There is no front mount intercooler, instead there is a front mount heat exchanger. There is an air-to-water intercooler in the intake manifold that the air passes through to cool the pressurized intake air. The water flows through this, and then through the heat exchanger, to cool the coolant down. It is a great system, and more efficient for a daily driver. Plus, G-Power proved that the only way to get the piping to a front mount intercooler was by cutting the front radiator supports st the top, and run it over. I would not do that. Anyways, to answer your question as simple as possible, there is a system in place to cool the air going in the engine.

-Andy

Correct the 600 and 650 HP kits use a air-to-water cooling system.

Originally Posted by WKBRDR

Looks great Rom3n! Which kit do you have installed on your ride, right now?
I'm still waiting for another ride with the bigger kit


-Rich

Just finished some high temp testing on pre-production. Production 600 will be re-installed in the next week or two.

[mixja]

Originally Posted by askiles

There is no front mount intercooler, instead there is a front mount heat exchanger. There is an air-to-water intercooler in the intake manifold that the air passes through to cool the pressurized intake air. The water flows through this, and then through the heat exchanger, to cool the coolant down. It is a great system, and more efficient for a daily driver. Plus, G-Power proved that the only way to get the piping to a front mount intercooler was by cutting the front radiator supports st the top, and run it over. I would not do that. Anyways, to answer your question as simple as possible, there is a system in place to cool the air going in the engine.

-Andy

Thanks for the info - I wonder how much weight is added (i.e. what size water tank does it use?)...

Air-to-water is OK for street use, but from what I've seen tends to be an issue for track use (unless you have plenty of ice and a few pit stops)...

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by mixja

Thanks for the info - I wonder how much weight is added (i.e. what size water tank does it use?)...

Air-to-water is OK for street use, but from what I've seen tends to be an issue for track use (unless you have plenty of ice and a few pit stops)...

That depends on the volume (total capacity) of coolant used in the overall water-to-air heat exchanger system, the effective surface area and efficiency of the heat exchanger core itself, and the amount of heat generated by the supercharger setup.

Whether you heak soak or not, comes down to how much power you are trying to get out of the motor. The higher up the horsepower ladder you go...the more heat you will generate. If you are pushing your supercharged car to the limit for a long period of time, there is virtually no way to fend off heat soak without resorting to an "ice box" reservoir to keep the IAT temps down. The only way around this, is too over-engineer your coolant capacity and heat exchanger core's ability to reject heat faster than it's being generated. Otherwise...your toast.

If the system is property designed and built, you can use a supercharged car at the track without issue.

But of course, that is easier said than done in most cases...

[biglare]

Originally Posted by Rom3n;

Just finished some high temp testing on pre-production. Production 600 will be re-installed in the next week or two.

Roman, did the car run warmer than normal in the 115+ temps we have had lately in Phoenix? Just wondering as conditions have been ideal in Phoenix lately for high heat testing.

[bigjae1976]

Probably a repost but can the M-DCT handle the power?

[Lemans_Blue_M]

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Probably a repost but can the M-DCT handle the power?

The M-DCT 7-speed tranny is cabable of handling 443 lb/ft. of torque max. according to the engineers at Getrag who designed and built it.

So with the ESS kit I would say yes, but I'll let Roman confirm this...

[askiles]

Roman has a DCT car, and is one of the test cars. I would say it can handle the power, as it has so far. I am sure it is fine. Luckily, these engines don't make a bunch of torque...kind of lucky I guess.

-Andy

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Rom3n

Just finished some high temp testing on pre-production. Production 600 will be re-installed in the next week or two.

No better place to test than in HOT HOT Arizona.

God damn its been hot here. 110 plus for the past 3-4 weeks.

[bigjae1976]

Originally Posted by Lemans_Blue_M

The M-DCT 7-speed tranny is cabable of handling 443 lb/ft. of torque max. according to the engineers at Getrag who designed and built it.

So with the ESS kit I would say yes, but I'll let Roman confirm this...

Originally Posted by askiles

Roman has a DCT car, and is one of the test cars. I would say it can handle the power, as it has so far. I am sure it is fine. Luckily, these engines don't make a bunch of torque...kind of lucky I guess.

-Andy

OK thanks. I guess the 650hp kit gets close to the 443lb/ft limit.