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Due to how the numbers round, the displacement of the new Coyote engine works out to both 302ci and 5L. The original Windsor pushrod V8's displacement did round up to 302ci, but in metric units actually rounded down to 4.9L. Despite that, Ford still called it a 5L for many applications (including the famous "5.0" Mustangs of the 80s). |
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I do agree BMW is doing more with less overall, but then the Boss engine can be had in a much cheaper package too. Plus, the GT version of the engine makes its power on regular gas, although I don't know if that still holds true for the Boss. I understand Finnegan's basic premise, and I somewhat agree with him. What if BMW would give the production S65 more of the technology from the P65 racing motor? Maybe not the flat-plane crank, but the heads and intake at least. Or, they could give us the 4.4L. Or combine both for that matter. I'm sure it boils down to lack of ability to make a business case for these improvements to the production M3, but its just too bad they can't find some way to do it. For that matter its too bad that the S65 itself will soon be put out to pasture, while Ford will continue on with their V8, refining it even more. |
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http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11687 http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11545 Last edited by Gearhead999s; 08-14-2010 at 01:21 PM.. |
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Whats funny about the M3 in South Africa they just a new edition of the M3 that has 440hp yet here in the US we don't..its the regular 4.0L not the 4.4 too. Dave
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When we come down too it, Ford sells far more Mustangs than BMW will ever see sold in M3 units in North America. So it probably does come down to what the overall business case is for making the BOSS. Ford can probably take some of the BOSS improvements and up the ante in a year or two when competitor "base" versions (e.g. Camaro) start to catch up again. They'll simply cascade the improvements down into the GT line up and voila they're back on their game. So the R&D and associated expense (CARB and EPA certification) probably has a decent return and is tied to an overall product lifecycle strategy. Since BMW is killing off the S65 there really is no similar return and it doesn't fit into a lifecycle strategy for them. The S65 is a dead man walking at this point. So, as much as I'd like to dream about a BOSS M3, I know it ain't gonna happen. |
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Also, the LS Boss is running a R compound tire..if thats what it takes to run equal or better a production M3 than how would an M3 run at LS with R compounds. This car is going to kick some butt.
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By the way, here are pics of the special "race ready" Leguna Seca Boss 302 I mentioned above, in case people haven't seen it. This is a street legal car, something akin to the GT3 RS I suppose, and not a race car like the Boss 302R and 302R1 launched earlier this year that gearhead was referring to in his post above.
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I wonder how long it will be before these get modded to make over 100hp/L @ 8000 RPM. Should be doable with bolt-ons and an ECU tune. You know someone is going to do it.
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It's kind of tempting in a raw brutal kind of way--there's some odd attraction to it. The interior shots say "I mean business" to me. I found a whole bunch of photos--the dash and interior actually looks like it might be halfway decent. I'm not sure if this is BOSS specific or just new styling, but it's much better than the last generation. Link Damn. Now I'm going to need to find one and look at it in person... Last edited by Finnegan; 08-14-2010 at 09:55 PM.. |
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http://forums.themustangsource.com/a...s_ls_specs.pdf The car has the standard Mustang V8 cats as it still has to be emission legal. Guys with just 2011 Mustang GTs are getting 20-25hp with a metallic catted xpipe and true long tubes. The PDF on the Boss mentions the car is tuned very aggressively from the factory, don't know how much a tune would be worth. I do think to get to 100hp/litre its probably going to take more rpm, but I do think they are going to get close. If you do get to 100hp/Litre from this normally aspirated powerplant to a level close to the GT500 at several hundred pounds less weight (2011 GT500, over 300lbs from earlier versions) and higher revving capability..Its going to be a great car for Ford and there racing heritage. Dave
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BTW..one at the unveiling.. Love the gas cap.. Dave
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http://www.evoperform.com/shop/ -You can get almost 500 hp out of the engine on this car with a tune and basic boltons( Headers , full exhaust,intake )
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Evolution is one of the most reputable Mustang tuners out there..but you won' get 500hp with just bolt ons and a tune. They are getting 20hp with a full length header and offroad xpipe (no cats). A couple of guys tried a CAI and they actually back pedaled a little seeing the mph drop in the 1/4 mile instead of increase. There are gains to be had, you just aren't going to get 500hp. Dave
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With just bolt ons? Give us the details..trust me you are talking to a Mustang fanatic. I've been on the BMW, Porsche side lately but have been following Mustangs. From my understanding the OEM bottom end on the Mustang GT doesn't like it much above 7300rpm, but to say with just bolt ons wow that peaked my interest. Dave
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