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Maybe they want to focus elsewhere. Maybe they did the analysis and concluded, rightly or wrongly, that the energy they would need to spend in making a profitable 100000 RS4 production run would yield more profit somewhere else? In the greater scheme of things 100000 cars is not a whole lot for these companies. A agree with Keto in that maybe what matters is that you just make "some" and that as long as you have that high performance version of your regular high volume car such as the A4, you have something to show around and strengthen the image of the real money maker and you are fine?
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Well, if BMW sells 100k M3's over say 5 years. 20k/year. If their average profit per unit is $1k (choosing a number at random), then that's $20 million a year which is not much in the grand scheme of things but I doubt anyone would turn it down.
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Yep, but if you can turn a higher profit with the same amount of effort in another product line, then the choice would also be obvious unless there was a strategic reason for flooding the streets with M3s.
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The RS4 is audi's best and it a nice car, but not to the likes of the M3. Never has. It's is a sedan! -Garrett |
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the same can be said about the M3.....an overpriced 3 series......
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70 -80k??? Please tell me which 3 series is 70 - 80K?
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Please tell me how is the M3 overpriced?
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Remember, when you think the M3 is overpriced, your only recourse is to buy a 911.
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One other thing about Audi: being under the same ownership as the company that owns both Lamborghini and Bentley, and also (and maybe more relevantly?) has board and family members sitting over at Porsche probably limits what they are realistically able to do. With so many high performance cars from other brands bookending all their more pedestrian sedans, it probably constrains what they can justify putting onto the market without stepping on too many toes.
Though, now, with the R8 out and about, who knows what the future might hold. Maybe Audi is planning a full "R" assault this time around? This is all pure speculation on my part of course. |
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The people that were buying "sub 50k" (I am assuming you're just going off base price here, my 2004 M3 was 66k out the door with options & TTL) M3's can likely afford 60k base now -- have you heard of inflation? The people who can't afford 60k couldn't afford 46k (the base then) in 2001 either. Hint: 46000 adjusted 4% (for inflation) each year for 7 years = $60532.86. Excelsior! Way to resurrect a dead thread. Last edited by Keto; 01-01-2008 at 07:47 PM.. Reason: Clarity |
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So by this math we can expect the next gen M3 to MSRP at around $76,592? That's just insane for a 3-series Bimmer any way you slice it. At some point the market simply will not pay for it and it will become a limited run production car. Here is a real example. In 2001 a base Toyota Camry CE 5MT was $17,675. By your math, today that car should MSRP at $23,259 adjusted by YOUR 4% inflation figure, but in reality it is only $18,570, a mere $895 more SEVEN YEARS LATER! The reason is there is a limit to what people are wiling to pay for a Toyota Camry and above that threshold people will end up looking elsewhere. The BMW M3, although much more desireable than a plain-Jane Toyota Camry does not escape this conundrum. Price it too high and it too will not sell. EUREKA!!!!! |
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"YOUR" 4% inflation figure? You must be the only person who can afford this car (my generous assumption) who doesn't comprehend inflation. The Camry is likely made for cheaper, as *everything* inflates at some point or another. Labor, materials, everything. Ever get a raise? Welcome to inflation. A savings account at 4% is required to break even -- you lose buying power when you hold money at a typical American bank's savings rate.
Seriously, get off the forums and go see a financial planner, or better yet, go buy that Camry. The "threshold" you refer to rises also. Ever heard an old person mutter about the price of gas? There you go. I could fill my tank when I was in college (early 90's) for $12 bucks or so, now I enjoy $45-50 depending on the market. Welcome to the real world. |
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Simmer down Keto, you don't really understand inflation yourself. The inflation rate in the US hasn't been at 4% since 1991. In fact, over the past 7 years the average inflation rate was about 2.75%. Doesn't seem like much, but if you redo your math the 60.5K number seems quite inflated. With the actual inflation rate being 2.75% over the past 7 years the price of the M3 should be right around 55.8k. I would be ecstatic if it actually came out at this price, quite a bit cheaper than the 60.5k number you are calculating. Either way, much more is involed in the pricing of the car than inflation, the dropping value of the USD is really worrying me.
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Mjovic, in the /sarcasm of my reply the point is simply that expectations of prices change. Telling me something will be overpriced 7 years from now at $76k is meaningless. Your point seems to be that the Camry price has not inflated significantly and we should expect that from BMW. I'd say that's fantasy, especially for a luxury marque. Price expectations, as an aside, cut two ways. Great article from the NYT a year ago talks about how college enrollment goes up at many schools when they INCREASE prices: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/12/ed...12tuition.html What does that have to do with this argument? People expect to pay more for luxury cars. All the badge whores would be upset if the average BMW and the average Toyota cost the same amount. |
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