Gruppe M or aFe intake ???

SuperM · 11-09-2011, 04:07 AM

cant decide for this both .. any advice or comments ???

SEI · 11-09-2011, 04:29 AM

if u want looks go gruppem. if u care about performance, both are exactly the same really..

pbonsalb · 11-09-2011, 04:48 AM

If you care about performance, go with the Gruppe M. It actually added power in an independent dyno test, while the AFE added no power. But it is expensive for the power it provides.

AFE intake plus exhaust:

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...ver/index.html

GruppeM intake plus exhaust:

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...r/viewall.html

And GruppeM intake plus exhaust plus GIAC tune:

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...r/viewall.html

1sikbmr · 11-09-2011, 07:55 AM

Just get a filter and call it a day

Kyoshi71 · 11-09-2011, 07:58 AM

If you care about performance, leave it stock and buy a good filter. Intake systems are a waste, as the factory system is just about as good as it gets.

THE TECH · 11-09-2011, 08:43 AM

The AFE stuff seems to be a fail. Go with anything else.

Grail05 · 11-09-2011, 09:19 AM

filter and scoop and your done... dont make it complicated cause it wont help much and your going to spend 2k for nothing.

Dave07997S · 11-09-2011, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

If you care about performance, go with the Gruppe M. It actually added power in an independent dyno test, while the AFE added no power. But it is expensive for the power it provides.

AFE intake plus exhaust:

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...ver/index.html

GruppeM intake plus exhaust:

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...r/viewall.html

And GruppeM intake plus exhaust plus GIAC tune:

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...r/viewall.html

Did you actually read the article? It even stated that there were dyno issues. My E46 M3 dyno'd 288rwhp bone stock. KitW dyno'd his AFE and got 6rwhp peak and up to 8-10rwhp in the midrange with the AFE STg. 2 intake. Just a tad better than what a drop in gives you, but you do get more intake roar than just a drop in.

The dyno once again..

I for one am very happy with my AFE, the intake roar along with the exhaust makes a beautiful symphony...

Dave07997S · 11-09-2011, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperM

cant decide for this both .. any advice or comments ???

Of the two get the AFE and save some money, the new STG 2. intake uses the factory airbox so it looks pretty much OEM.

Dave

chungdae · 11-09-2011, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyoshi71

If you care about performance, leave it stock and buy a good filter. Intake systems are a waste, as the factory system is just about as good as it gets.

+1

SV Concepts II · 11-09-2011, 12:51 PM

aFe all the way! Solid intake systems, you won't be disappointed.

ailikesiliu · 11-09-2011, 01:29 PM

I'll stick with my stock one, maybe a filter at most.

stefan · 11-09-2011, 01:38 PM

Totally pointless. Maybe even risky particularly if you go with an oiled filter. Save your $. It did make a bit of a difference on E46 but the E9x intake is quite well designed.

xchosun1x · 11-09-2011, 01:44 PM

get a drop in and a tune for the price of the gruppe M and perhaps get a pulley

tom @ eas · 11-09-2011, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefan

Totally pointless. Maybe even risky particularly if you go with an oiled filter. Save your $. It did make a bit of a difference on E46 but the E9x intake is quite well designed.

The airbox is well designed. Intake Charge pipe and filter media definitely can use help.

ModBargains III · 11-09-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SEI

if u want looks go gruppem. if u care about performance, both are exactly the same really..

I think your comment is pretty spot on. If you care about looks, the GruppeM certainly is a great thing to look at, but in terms of performance, you'll still see good gains coming from both intakes.

Personal preference for me is aFe as you'll be able to retain some of that cash that you would have used on the GruppeM for other mods

pbonsalb · 11-09-2011, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave07997S

Did you actually read the article? It even stated that there were dyno issues. My E46 M3 dyno'd 288rwhp bone stock. KitW dyno'd his AFE and got 6rwhp peak and up to 8-10rwhp in the midrange with the AFE STg. 2 intake. Just a tad better than what a drop in gives you, but you do get more intake roar than just a drop in.

Yes, I even read the part about how they went back to AFE a second time several weeks later and still could not find the claimed power.

As others have demonstrated here, you can easily find an 8 rwhp variation among a series of dyno runs on these cars and use the low one as the base and the best one to "prove" the gain of your mod.

All AFE could do was "suggest" that maybe something was wrong with their dyno for the original test and also weeks later for the second chance.

I went with a K&N drop in filter.

Tianzo · 11-10-2011, 12:40 AM

Had 2 people running the Gruppe M on their e92 M3, and both have agreed that there was a loss in power, one of them even did a dyno Stock vs. Gruppe M and found a drop in 10 HP on the aftermarket CAI. Go figure.

Singletrack · 11-10-2011, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stefan

Totally pointless. Maybe even risky particularly if you go with an oiled filter.

Nonsense.

Singletrack · 11-10-2011, 01:21 AM

In addition to those, I would look at just filters like those offered by MS, afe, bmc, aa, etc. Also look at charge pipes from MS and Dinan. Look for dynos, count your money, decide how much you want to spend for how much hp. Good luck.

eNCore · 11-10-2011, 02:04 AM

Dinan! All intakes make about the same power give or take. Intakes are a sound AND HP mod, so don't expect more than 10 HP from it. Some are also a cosmetic mod (Dinan and Gruppe M). Dinan has all three qualities PLUS OEM fitment. I have heard stories about aftermarket intakes having fitment issues. You don't want a loose intake under your hood do you? Dinan if you want all the qualities plus OEM fitment. Gruppe M is also good but it's x2 Dinan's money. Your pick!

FYI, I am not a Dinan fan. I don't have a single Dinan mod on my car. I am just someone that is also thinking about getting an intake soon and Dinan seems to be the best.

Lagunae92 · 11-10-2011, 02:10 AM

I have the GruppeM. Pricey...yes, beautiful to look at...yes, intoxicating to listen to....yes. Gains? Maybe, but the sound is where I focus for my DD. got a good price, and it's still tough to swallow!

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Kyoshi71 Colonel 93 Rep 2,528 Posts Drives: 2010 M3 Coupe Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York iTrader: (0)	If you care about performance, leave it stock and buy a good filter. Intake systems are a waste, as the factory system is just about as good as it gets. __________________ "But resist we much; we must; and we will much; about that be committed." ~Rev. Al Sharpton 2010 E92 M3\|Silverstone II\|M-DCT\|NCSW\|2MT\|ZCW\|ZPP\|ZTP\|302\|507\|Gas Guzzler Tax
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Grail05 Putcha ang ganda... 281 Rep 5,441 Posts Drives: 17 F82 M4 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Los Angeles, Brea CA. iTrader: (10)	filter and scoop and your done... dont make it complicated cause it wont help much and your going to spend 2k for nothing. __________________
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stefan Brigadier General 2354 Rep 4,254 Posts Drives: M2 Comp Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: North iTrader: (2)	Totally pointless. Maybe even risky particularly if you go with an oiled filter. Save your $. It did make a bit of a difference on E46 but the E9x intake is quite well designed. __________________ ///M Power
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xchosun1x Track Duty 266 Rep 2,467 Posts Drives: Track build 08 E92 M3 DCT Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (14)	get a drop in and a tune for the price of the gruppe M and perhaps get a pulley
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Tianzo New Member 0 Rep 14 Posts Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Singapore iTrader: (0)	Had 2 people running the Gruppe M on their e92 M3, and both have agreed that there was a loss in power, one of them even did a dyno Stock vs. Gruppe M and found a drop in 10 HP on the aftermarket CAI. Go figure.
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Singletrack 4th down; 4th quarter? Renegade. 87 Rep 3,850 Posts Drives: 09 SSII E92 M3; 19 FG M5C Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA iTrader: (3)	In addition to those, I would look at just filters like those offered by MS, afe, bmc, aa, etc. Also look at charge pipes from MS and Dinan. Look for dynos, count your money, decide how much you want to spend for how much hp. Good luck.
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eNCore ///M 5light 244 Rep 439 Posts Drives: 13 MCB ///M5 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Los Angeles, 626 iTrader: (1)	Dinan! All intakes make about the same power give or take. Intakes are a sound AND HP mod, so don't expect more than 10 HP from it. Some are also a cosmetic mod (Dinan and Gruppe M). Dinan has all three qualities PLUS OEM fitment. I have heard stories about aftermarket intakes having fitment issues. You don't want a loose intake under your hood do you? Dinan if you want all the qualities plus OEM fitment. Gruppe M is also good but it's x2 Dinan's money. Your pick! FYI, I am not a Dinan fan. I don't have a single Dinan mod on my car. I am just someone that is also thinking about getting an intake soon and Dinan seems to be the best. __________________ 13 MCB ///M5 11 - 12 MW E92 ///M3 ZCP 08 - 11 E90 335i Last edited by eNCore; 11-10-2011 at 02:16 AM..
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