Bmw m3 after tuned 335i

[MRSSIIM3]

Had a modded 335, now an M3. 335 had intake, exhaust, jb3 and i regularly ran race fuel and map 9

What I realized is that the 335 feels faster, but even with all those mods, my buddy and I would race and wed be neck and neck. So pretty much 335 feels faster but isnt actually any faster. The low end torque is nice but unless youre one of those people that just chills at 2krpm gear 6 and dont really care about shifting, youll really enjoy the m3 more. My driving style caters to always being above 4k rpm and constantly red lining and I love my m3 so much more than the 335. The 335 tapered off at 6k rpm and has that dead zone from 6-7k rpm. Id much rather be at 8400 than short shifting at 6k to stay in the power band

[thai357sig]

Dude,
Get a fukkin civic and mod the shit out of it! It will bet the crap out of any Modded 335 and non modded M3.

Because that is what seems to be important to you. Torque and HP. All the factors point to one thing, you are probably still an adolescent and want cheap power. The M3 cannot comepete!

[status38]

This subject has obviously been beaten to death and re-posted eleventy billion times, and every time people say "The 335 has more low end torque".

No one ever brings Gear Ratios and RPMs/Redline into the equation.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=419634

[CAPSGOD]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

There's a huge difference between feeling fast and actually going fast. If all you care about is the feel, then the M3 is probably not for you.

I thought M3 would feel faster. It has vocal and relatively peaky engine whereas a 335 has a much flatter torque curve.

[Totti]

Originally Posted by CAPSGOD

I thought M3 would feel faster. It has vocal and relatively peaky engine whereas a 335 has a much flatter torque curve.

One word: Boost. Does a lot for seat of pants feeling.

[Seattle S65B40]

Originally Posted by erhanh

again with the torque...

LAWLZ

[crackberry]

Originally Posted by thai357sig

Dude,
Get a fukkin civic and mod the shit out of it! It will bet the crap out of any Modded 335 and non modded M3.

Because that is what seems to be important to you. Torque and HP. All the factors point to one thing, you are probably still an adolescent and want cheap power. The M3 cannot comepete!

I agree.

[bmwm3redblack]

Originally Posted by radiantm3

Probably because if straight line performance is all you care about, the M3 is not the car for you. And if you are already trying to compare the low end torque feeling from a tuned N54-55 to the M3, you will be disappointed. It's just a different kind of car. I think it takes a certain type of driver to appreciate and prefer a high revving N/A car over one with lots of power available at cruising RPMs.

I wiil appreciate the high reving N/A engine cause i've already owned e46 m3
and you know what, i miss this crazy sound and instant throtle response,but anyway i'll buy a tune for 335 and after a while change it for a proper beast e92 m3

[persian54]

Originally Posted by erhanh

It is actually not the torque.. it is the power at the low revs. Since there is more torque available at low revs, the resulting power at low revs is more.

That too

But my Z4 dynoed at about 352 wtq and 349whp on a Dynojet with the Jb4 :P

So it's not lacking in torque... that's for sure.

[Jsnscot]

I came from a tuned 335i to my current M3, M3 is in a completely different league!

[1cleanm6]

you'll never look at a 335 the same if you buy the M. TOTALLY different car

previous car was a 335 , so ya

[eisenb11]

Originally Posted by nirvanayoda

...The interior is also superior...

Just curious: could you clarify more on this?

The differences that I know of:

1. different leather
2. M steering wheel
3. M-DCT knob vs gear selector (or non-M DCT knob) on auto
4. M logo on stuff

Are there any other significant differences?

[TheClozer]

It blows you while driving...one of the many reasons I switched over from an N54!

[FVM3]

Originally Posted by hamama3

Had a modded 335, now an M3. 335 had intake, exhaust, jb3 and i regularly ran race fuel and map 9

What I realized is that the 335 feels faster, but even with all those mods, my buddy and I would race and wed be neck and neck. So pretty much 335 feels faster but isnt actually any faster. The low end torque is nice but unless youre one of those people that just chills at 2krpm gear 6 and dont really care about shifting, youll really enjoy the m3 more. My driving style caters to always being above 4k rpm and constantly red lining and I love my m3 so much more than the 335. The 335 tapered off at 6k rpm and has that dead zone from 6-7k rpm. Id much rather be at 8400 than short shifting at 6k to stay in the power band

The 335i with jb3 and intake should be faster then a stock m3, not just the feel

[ChitownM3]

Who cares about engine torque? The M3 puts more torque to the ground in first gear than a 335 does, and this is what you actually feel. I'm sick of people talking about engine torque.

[ChitownM3]

Originally Posted by nirvanayoda

You think the M3 puts down more wheel torque than a tuned 335i? I can go dyno my M3 at the same dyno I did my Dinan 3 if you'd like, but I'm afraid I'd be depressed by the results.

Once again, you are talking about ENGINE TORQUE. Rear wheel torque is not the same as the amount of torque in first gear. Multiply the amount of torque by the first gear ratio and rear end ratio in both cars the M3 will have more torque. The M3 has as much torque in first gear as c5 z06 corvette. Does the 335??? Doubt it.

[ChitownM3]

http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showthread.php?t=23608

I misspoke, the M3 actually has more torque in first gear than a zo6, which is rated at 405 torque at the motor. This is the advantage of having horsepower, being able to mess with the gears. In the end, my M3 feels faster and is faster than a 335 because it puts more torque to the street in each gear than a 335.

[saeedg48]

[ChitownM3]

It is very obvious that the c63 was in the wrong gear.

[ChitownM3]

Originally Posted by nirvanayoda

I can tell you without a doubt that the M3 doesn't feel faster than the Dinan Stage 3 in any gear. I have no doubt that it's possible that it is, in fact, faster. I also am not saying the M3 isn't fast. I'm just saying I've had both -- I drove 20k miles with the Dinan 3 upgrades and 4k miles in the M3 -- and from personal experience, the Dinan 3 feels much faster.

With that being said, the more time I spend in the M3, the better I am at driving it and the faster it feels. Perhaps when I reach some skill level in driving it, it will feel faster. However, that would mean the M3 is a very driver skill dependent car, whereas the Dinan 3 is a car anyone driving can make fast.

And just to clarify, I have an EE degree, not an ME degree, so the wheel torque explanation was somewhat lost on me without studying it for a while. You could be right about that, but that doesn't change seat of the pants perception.

I never go by what people feel, as that is very subjective. To calculate torque in a gear, you multiply engine torque X trans gear ratio X rear end ratio. The trans and rear end are torque multipliers.

[b0bab0i]

Originally Posted by stefan

Understand what M means in the context of the M3:

Still wondering if you should keep your 335i?

M = Marketing now
Its so diluted now with SUV M cars, forced induction, and AWD. X5M, X6M. And they are coming out with the X3M soon?

[Groundhog]

buy one of each