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335i fans should spend their time defending against 135i buyers, they cost less, offer better performance and are going to be more trackworthy than their 335i's. Really, if I wanted a sporty coupe, I get a 135i if I couldn't afford an M3. I think they look great, it's got a heck of lot more character and a 335i.
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Can someone translate that into the English language please?
Oh, and double posting FTL
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03-19-2008, 07:49 AM | #48 |
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Thanks to the OP for the comparison! I think it's quite sad when people come online and start justifying their personal choices and getting het-up over them. Nobody gives a shit whether you can or can't afford an M3, a GTR or a bloody Lamborghini. You make your own choices for your own reasons, be happy with them, but quit trying to stuff them down others' throats!
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Point made, but what I was trying to highlight was that the manufacturers tend to add mere frippery to the base styling, from my point of view. Yeah, I know you need to add more air for increased cooling, etc., but those mods are often highlighted. Perhaps I should also explain that in general I like the Q-ship idea. In fact, I've long held the belief that the perfect car may be a Checker Marathon (in yellow, of course) with a Z06 chassis and powertrain. Bruce |
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Bruce Edit: PS - I also like the styling of the new M3. It's just that I prefer the styling of the base coupes. Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 03-19-2008 at 08:58 AM.. |
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The original post is a great write-up. If I could justify the purchase I would get the M3, but I can't and will stick with my tuned 335. I'm just glad that BMW made such a nice twin-turbo engine so I could get some speed in a 3 sereis BMW. My prior was a 323CI with 170hp.
I bet it will be interesting when M3's and 335's pull next to each other at stop lights. Each person will be wondering if the other car is faster. Of course none of us street race ever, right? Enjoy your M3's, they are awesome beasts! OP - do you have a Gtech where you could try to confirm your feelings about performance and post the runs? |
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Look, there's a central fact here that no one has commented on yet, and the fact is that if you want the best, you're going to have to pay a lot more money for it. It doesn't matter what we're discussing. Want a good one-carat diamond for that engagement ring? Maybe two grand. Want an essentially flawless high clarity blue-white diamond? You're going to be into the 5-digit arena. Want a really good shotgun for, say, shooting skeet? Winchester, Remington and others will fill your needs with extremely good products for $500 to $700. Want the best? Maybe a Purdy? You're looking at anywhere from ten to 50 grand. Or more! Will a Bic Click be OK to sign that charge slip, or do you need the Mont Blanc folks to help you out? Want to get wherever you want to go ultra reliably? Hyundai has some really good stuff for really short money. Want a feral exhaust snarl, stupid speed and all the flash of a lightning bolt in your four-wheeled conveyance? Ferrari will be glad to take care of you. There are essential reasons for this, ranging from cost of materials, cost of labor (you don't get some jamoke who just fell off the turnip truck doing the inlays on your over-and-under 12-gauge), cost of engineering and development talent, actual content of the product, and of course if you're at the top of the market they know you can pay more. It's part of the exclusivity. Now, I'm not saying the M3 is the best car on the planet, but it is arguably the best of the 3 series. Want a really good 3 series bimmer, and by the way a terrific car? We can get you out the door for around 35 grand. Want the best? Whoops. You see the deal, I hope. Myriad product changes with engineering costs spread over fewer units, more expensive materials, blah blah blah. Is the M3 (or the flawless diamond, the Purdy, the Ferarri or the Mont Blanc) worth the Money? Well duh! You can decide for yourself, but always remember, if you want the best, you aren't going to get it for a few percent more. Bruce Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 03-19-2008 at 10:10 PM.. Reason: Spelling |
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Sure, a heavily modified 335i will likely out run a M3 on the street in a straight line, but you are missing the point if you think M3 is only about drag racing. Does the various comparison tests between the C63 AMG and M3 remind you of anything? You don't see BMW Motorsports challenging the ALMS GT2 class in a 335 do you? The fact is, the M3 is, and will be the pinnacle of 3 series engineering for BMW. |
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awwww.......shucks. Thanks
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I wonder if I should tell this guy I actually paid closer to USD$170,000 for my M3?
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Wow, that picture. It's forums like that this that really make Internet access worth it. If it's raw performance that floats your boat then don't get an M3. Simple. You don't have to go ranting about it on an M3 forum. But, everyone's taste is different. To some of us the M3 is greatest car in the world. No other car can touch it at any price. And don't ever forget: us M3 owner kangaroo boys really are better than everyone else! |
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So you were running while keeping both cars under 5k rpm? The 335 has a redline at 7000 rpm while the M3 is 8400. So, you're using more of the 335's power band. To be fair you should have been shifting it at 4200.
That said what was the point of this test? Do you expect to be street racing lots of guys in M3s who haven't broken them in yet? Why don't you go to a drag strip and run a 1/4 mile in your car? At least we could compare that to the 1/4s that magazines have run in M3s that have been broken in. I get that people are very excited to compare tuned 335 to M3, but can't we at least wait till the M3 can run to its potential? |
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Both cars have similar mileage right around 2K miles. Some of you need to remember in my original post at the very bottom I state I am waiting my turn to place my order for my 2008 M3. I will be an owner too to add to the stable and I am NOT bashing the new M3. It is quantitative evidence that the new M3 is not delivering as much punch as I would have hoped considering the price. Again...this is my opinion based on my personal observations. Like I said in my earlier post for the price difference I want more power delivery. I am not sure I follow what you mean when you say I should have shifted at 4200 RPM. I reach max torque at 4300 RPM and max HP at 5700 RPM with the DINAN re-flash calibration. SS
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