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03-12-2013, 10:46 AM | #45 |
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This should give you a very good idea of the power differences between an fbo car and a stage 1 kit.
Dyno was compiled from the same car same dyno within 2 days of upgrades. Stock vs FBo vs Gen 1 level 1(Old kit) Last edited by SflBimmer8484; 03-12-2013 at 10:52 AM.. |
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03-12-2013, 10:56 AM | #46 |
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Another issue with the blower is if you live in a state that does smog testing. How do you get around this? EAS and VF engineering are both in the state of California it would be nice to see a CARB exempt blower kit.
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I would disagree with spending 4-5k on exhaust and tune however. BMW put a lot of research into the stock exhaust I have no doubt. Paying a several thousand dollar premium over a test pipe for what might net 5 more hp at most is probably not worth it for street and non-competitive track purposes. I would think 2k should get you test pipes installed tune and maybe pullies. Those 3 should be getting you more than 30whp at least from the dyno charts forum members have been posting. *edit* That said if you are a baller, have several cars, and could care less about the cost then do whatever you want
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03-12-2013, 11:27 AM | #48 |
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This is a very good point Dave.
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You have to "find a way" to not get caught in either case. Albeit, swapping back to a stock exhaust is much easier than taking off a supercharger. |
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In fact in Cali we are going to just a OBDII port read. As long as all but one readiness codes are green you're a go. No more sniffer..what gets me worried is if they pop the hood. If you had to switch back to the OEM xpipe, no sweat. Dave
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If I lived in a state where it was mostly dry year round, I would have an SC.
I already have enough traction problems with FBO when it's wet half the year here, and SC would just make it worse. |
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Probably a good idea to talk to someone with a Supercharger in Cali then... Now if only there was a device that could help you find other people in California with superchargers on their BMW M3s and ask them questions... This device would be like a combination of a TV and a typewriter, but with a connection like a phone. Maybe even a series of tubes... I guess we'll never know. |
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However 40hp is a significant. BUT!, it will take a good driver and proper instruments to actually see the difference 40hp brings, at least, if you are road racing. But, a 40hp increase will definitely make the car faster for most of the driving M3 drivers do. Lane changes, merging and illegal road racing will see a benefit with a 40hp increase. |
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Quite to the contrary I think that the engineers at M would love to keep building special high-rev'ing NA engines. M is going FI because of business and political/environmental pressures. Sorry, I don't want to derail this thread into an E9X vs F3X, NA vs FI, "They are ruining M" debate. But I thought it was worth mentioning that M is not going to FI so they can snap your head back when you hit the gas. |
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Well I was referring to better power delivery/potential, and fuel efficiency. But yes I agree its not to solely build a more powerful car. BMW does need to step their game up though bc their competition (Mercedes for example) is putting out some real beasts straight from the factory in their new generations. I've always been a BMW and M fan and theres something about the M series that I just love.
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I'd like to think if it weren't for fuel efficiency pressures that M could get more power from an NA power plant. I love NA. FI is cheating |
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Without a supercharger (and really, it's gotta be Stage 2+... the Stage 1 SCs don't cut it, thus so many for sale) the M3s frankly don't compete. I'll also go so far to say that the reason for the turbos on the next gen is for power, with the added marketing line item of fuel efficiency. Remember the Toyota Supra (and others) were making massive power with an Inline 6/TwinTurbo setup 20 years ago! It's really about time BMW caught up and shows the world how to really do it right (look at the M5/M6). And remember, at one time the other FI (Fuel Injection) was "cheating" to the carburated guys... Tomorrow electric motors (KERS anyone?) will be "cheating" to the turbo guys... Absolutely nothing wrong with using technology to win. |
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There's no question that BMW is going FI to make more power, but I think it's largely to make more power in a less expensive way. They could get an NA engine up to competitive levels, but the costs would be too high. FI is the way things are going and really I'm cool with that because I like fuel efficiency, but I will always love the great NA ///M engines. |
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