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All kidding aside, this is a good thread, I've learned a lot. 1M guys, good for you. It's an awesome M car in every way.
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Excellent post, but as one who has driven both extensively on the track (well, the 1M not "extensively" but enough), I have to correct the following:
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Again, you make some very good points, most of which I agree with, but lets keep "Facts" vs "Opinions" on certain areas (such as performance numbers, or "modded" sounds, etc) to the numbers... cheers!
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My exhaust comment was reflecting my dislike for the the stock 1M exhaust more than anything else, whereas the stock M3 sounds excellent in stock form. My numbers are FACTS and my comparison was done using C&D as well. Not some stupid street racing kill story like some are using for their talking points in this thread. But my comparison was more apple2apple, meaning 6MT on both. I think you'll find those numbers to be far more similar. Anyone shopping for DCT obviously cant cross-shop with a 1M so that comparison is moot. No doubt the DCT is faster than 6MT, regardless of whether you are comparing it to an M3 or 1M. This is not a DCT vs 6MT thread tho. My whole point is the juvenile trash talk is silly considering how close the performance is. Silly considering most who have such strong opinions on the matter have never seen a 1M let alone drive one seriously enough to make an assessment on the car. That's all. I imagine this thread will see the locked icon soon. I've said my Peace.
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In fact, from my personnal experiences(I've raced at least 10 times against 2 different stock 1Ms on the highway from 50 to 120+mph with my stock manual E92), the 1M is equal with the M3 up to until I shift in 3rd gear(around 75-80mph) and then it's a complete destruction, not even a close race so I can only imagine how a DCT M3 would annihilate a 1M specially in the 0-100mph. Edit: and this ain't some stupid street racing kill story, the first 1M I've raced was my friends, we raced like 8 times in a row on the highway on our way back from a track day at Calabogie last summer, and just to confurm that, I raced a different 1M twice a couple of days ago, same condition, highway, 2nd gear to 4th, same result, not even close! Last edited by Alex07M3; 09-06-2012 at 09:24 PM.. |
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Yes, the debate of the 6MT vs DCT is separate debate for sure, but again, you just can't throw comments like "...they are identical..." when this is not quite correct even for manual numbers. Again, plenty of track time with the manual M3 (ZCP Manual), and Gpro times still match the times out there for manual M3's: 0–60 mph: 4.1 sec (my times were closer to 4.2-.3) ¼-mile: 12.6 sec @ 113 mph http://www.caranddriver.com/features...-of-horsepower not vastly faster, but not identical either...let's be fair, that's all. I'm not sure, however, why you are so defensive, and feel the need post comments such as: "...My numbers are FACTS and my comparison was done using C&D as well. Not some stupid street racing kill story..." or "... I imagine this thread will see the locked icon soon. I've said my Peace..." We outta be able to have a respectful and amicable conversation about these cars without getting so defensive or throwing indirects here and there. Both great cars, both similar performance overall (manual of course), and both have their pros and cons...simple as that.
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I for one hope that the above ^^^^ type posts continue and the thread does not get locked.
The chances of me driving a 1M are slim so I'm interested in first hand experiences.
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The e92 M3 has been my dream car ever since I can remember and will be the first car I save up my cash for. That being said the 1M is an amazing car and would love to get a chance to drive both and compare. Both on the track and street. Would not mind having both in the garage, but if I were to pick only 1, I would go for the M3. Its a different league of car, a thoroughbred.
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and who exactly said anything remotely close to that statement?
Metak, you also replied in the other thread. It's fairly obvious you have no desire whatsoever to have an educated, fact-based, respectful, and amicable debate regarding these cars, in the spirit of conversation and education. Example, you keep posting 'averaged' numbers, or "non-DCT vs 6mt" (as if that's the M3's fault the 1M didn't come with it), or posting one pdf with the highest timed sheet from C&D to prove your point, and disregarded every single link and source I've posted to show your numbers are not correct. The whole reason I even posted in this thread was to correct your "..they are identical in performance.." statement you made, which has been proven to be not quite exact. I'll let you continue on your tangents and defensive posture, and I will humbly bow out of this conversation with you. Enjoy your car...it's a great car.
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Depends on how anal you want to be about the use of the word identical. Seems pretty much identical in performance to me, although I do agree that the M3 will have the better top end. Hard to find even 2 M3s that are identical in performance. Magazines have them running from 110 to 115 in the quarter. And the explanation is not early versus late models or manual versus DCT. Road & Track had a 6 speed 08 M3 at 4.1 to 60, and 12.5 at 114.8 in the quarter.
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Now lets continue with some more numbers that you might not like. 6MT to 6MT 5-60: 1M= 5.0 M3= 5.1 30-50: 1M= 6.6 M3= 7.2 50-70: 1M= 5.6 M3= 6.2 *if you think the above numbers are meaningless there is no point in further discussing this with you. But again, my point isn't that the 1M is better, it's just to point out that these cars will get you from point A to 1/4mile in the same time(+- 1/10 depending on driver skill level) but it will happen in very different ways. Your posts and your other thread seems you are the one making this more of an emotional discussion than need be. Full article on the dedicated M3(6MT) test: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...w-m3-road-test 1M: http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...-g-coupe-1.pdf
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This is ridiculous.
Either car will get smoked by a 19 year old driving a civic w/NOS.
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lol fanbois...
Both cars are excellent. Flame on fellas...
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So in my opinion, in most part of real life situations the M3 is a lot more performing, because real life situation for me is not 0 to 40mph but 40mph to whatever you're willing to go!! No offence but magazines numbers don't tell the owl story! |
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These are in-gear rather than through-the-gears times, I'm guessing? No doubt blown engines are almost always more effective under this test condition.
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