M3 Test in AUTOZEITUNG (against R8 + C6)

ILC32 · 09-05-2007, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southlight

It's not AMS or SportAuto, but it's OK. My personal opinion is that it's a magazine worth reading most of the time. But usually the performance numbers of AUTOZeitung are better than AMS for example... Also the acceleration numbers for the R8 are about the best I can remember...

All I say is: CUP

Best regards, south

I guess I have another question then (sorry -- you are being a really good sport about this): what tires did each car have?

ILC32 · 09-05-2007, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by southlight

Oh, yeah:

R8: 1661 kg

M3: 1626 kg
C6: 1545 kg

Best regards, south

Thanks again!

southlight · 09-05-2007, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILC32

I guess I have another question then (sorry -- you are being a really good sport about this): what tires did each car have?

No, I don't say more than: CUP

Best regards, south

M3 · 09-05-2007, 11:19 AM

Imagine it with the new tranny

devo · 09-05-2007, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Haven't seen the test, but I like this feature on their website! (NOT WORK SAFE):

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74671_450.jpg

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74679_450.jpg

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74691_450.jpg

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74691_450.jpg

savage.ulm1 · 09-05-2007, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southlight

They compared these 3 cars in this test. But I don't know if they did all these performance tests at the same time.

Handling course:
R8: 1:38,9
M3: 1:40,1
C6: 1:44,2

Best regards, south

It could be interesting to post some comparative times for the handling on that track:

Autozeitung test track, Germany
Lap Times
Pos Track Time Performed by
1. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 1:33.6 Autozeitung
2. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 1:35.0 Autozeitung
3. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 1:37.1 Autozeitung
4. Porsche 997 Turbo Cabriolet 1:38.0 Autozeitung
5. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:38.1 Autozeitung
6. Ferrari F430 1:38.1 Autozeitung
7. Lamborghini Gallardo 1:38.2 Autozeitung
8. Porsche 996 Turbo S 1:38.5 Autozeitung
9. Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1:39.0 Autozeitung
10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:39.4 Autozeitung
11. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:39.8 Autozeitung
12. Audi R8 1:39.9 Autozeitung
13. Dodge Viper SRT-10 1:39.9 Autozeitung
14. BMW M6 1:40.0 Autozeitung
15. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series 1:40.6 Autozeitung
16. Porsche 997 Carrera 1:40.8 Autozeitung
17. Wiesmann GT MF4 1:40.9 Autozeitung
18. Porsche Cayman S 1:41.2 Autozeitung
19. Audi RS4 1:41.3 Autozeitung
20. Porsche 996 Carrera 1:42.2 Autozeitung
21. Porsche 987 Boxster S 1:42.3 Autozeitung
22. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 1:42.7 Autozeitung
23. BMW Z4 M Roadster 1:42.8 Autozeitung
24. Bentley Continental GT 1:42.8 Autozeitung
25. Mercedes CL 65 AMG 1:42.8 Autozeitung
26. Maserati Coupe GranSport 1:43.1 Autozeitung
27. BMW M5 1:43.2 Autozeitung
28. BMW 645ci 1:43.8 Autozeitung
29. Jaguar XKR 1:43.8 Autozeitung
30. Porsche Cayman 2.7 1:44.1 Autozeitung
31. Mercedes S 600 1:44.2 Autozeitung
32. Porsche 997 Carrera Cabriolet 1:44.2 Autozeitung
33. BMW Z4 3.0si Coupe 1:44.4 Autozeitung
34. BMW M3 (E46) 1:44.5 Autozeitung
35. BMW 650i 1:44.6 Autozeitung
36. Mercedes CLK 55 AMG 1:44.6 Autozeitung
37. Audi S5 1:44.6 Autozeitung
38. Nissan 350Z 1:44.9 Autozeitung
39. Aston Martin V8 Vantage 1:44.9 Autozeitung
40. Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1:45.0 Autozeitung

Cut the first ten position obviously...and see where the m3 will be placed...
Not too bab ...correct?

ILC32 · 09-05-2007, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by savage.ulm1

It could be interesting to post some comparative times for the handling on that track:

Autozeitung test track, Germany
Lap Times
Pos Track Time Performed by
1. Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera 1:33.6 Autozeitung
2. Porsche 997 GT3 RS 1:35.0 Autozeitung
3. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 1:37.1 Autozeitung
4. Porsche 997 Turbo Cabriolet 1:38.0 Autozeitung
5. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:38.1 Autozeitung
6. Ferrari F430 1:38.1 Autozeitung
7. Lamborghini Gallardo 1:38.2 Autozeitung
8. Porsche 996 Turbo S 1:38.5 Autozeitung
9. Lamborghini Gallardo Spyder 1:39.0 Autozeitung
10. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:39.4 Autozeitung
11. Porsche 997 Carrera S 1:39.8 Autozeitung
12. Audi R8 1:39.9 Autozeitung
13. Dodge Viper SRT-10 1:39.9 Autozeitung
14. BMW M6 1:40.0 Autozeitung
15. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series 1:40.6 Autozeitung
16. Porsche 997 Carrera 1:40.8 Autozeitung
17. Wiesmann GT MF4 1:40.9 Autozeitung
18. Porsche Cayman S 1:41.2 Autozeitung
19. Audi RS4 1:41.3 Autozeitung
20. Porsche 996 Carrera 1:42.2 Autozeitung
21. Porsche 987 Boxster S 1:42.3 Autozeitung
22. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG 1:42.7 Autozeitung
23. BMW Z4 M Roadster 1:42.8 Autozeitung
24. Bentley Continental GT 1:42.8 Autozeitung
25. Mercedes CL 65 AMG 1:42.8 Autozeitung
26. Maserati Coupe GranSport 1:43.1 Autozeitung
27. BMW M5 1:43.2 Autozeitung
28. BMW 645ci 1:43.8 Autozeitung
29. Jaguar XKR 1:43.8 Autozeitung
30. Porsche Cayman 2.7 1:44.1 Autozeitung
31. Mercedes S 600 1:44.2 Autozeitung
32. Porsche 997 Carrera Cabriolet 1:44.2 Autozeitung
33. BMW Z4 3.0si Coupe 1:44.4 Autozeitung
34. BMW M3 (E46) 1:44.5 Autozeitung
35. BMW 650i 1:44.6 Autozeitung
36. Mercedes CLK 55 AMG 1:44.6 Autozeitung
37. Audi S5 1:44.6 Autozeitung
38. Nissan 350Z 1:44.9 Autozeitung
39. Aston Martin V8 Vantage 1:44.9 Autozeitung
40. Mercedes CLS 55 AMG 1:45.0 Autozeitung

Cut the first ten position obviously...and see where the m3 will be placed...
Not too bab ...correct?

I wonder which times listed above were run on cup tires.

mkoesel · 09-05-2007, 01:34 PM

So the R8 has two times now, with a whole second between them. Probably different drivers or different weather which is fine. But the list only covers times over an a 11 second range, so that one second is a pretty big margin for error (9% or so).

M3 · 09-05-2007, 02:00 PM

Isn't this supposed to be opposite?

4. Porsche 997 Turbo Cabriolet 1:38.0 Autozeitung
5. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:38.1 Autozeitung

bronco · 09-05-2007, 03:17 PM

are we looking at a C6 2008 model?

Just_me · 09-05-2007, 03:23 PM

I'm looking forward to hear all the excuses why the M3 did so well and what went wrong with the others

mkoesel · 09-05-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco

are we looking at a C6 2008 model?

Good question. I doubt that it is, but I suppose its possible they have a pre-release test car over there already.

Just_me · 09-05-2007, 03:26 PM

South , what was Autozeitung conclusion about these three, a final verdict?

savage.ulm1 · 09-05-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Just_me

I'm looking forward to hear all the excuses why the M3 did so well and what went wrong with the others

So...at the moment the gap is between these good news from one side and the the catastrofic tests performed from the Spanish magazine....Who is closer to the true ???

I quote the German magazine ....because in any case these times are not so far from what BMW declares and normally they say the true...
Sure the best two magazines in Germany...still have to be released...so we will see...I hope less than two weeks for the final results......

Just_me · 09-05-2007, 03:36 PM

Im disappointed with Autozeitung, now the M3 doesnt impress me. Pilot Sport Cup tires , why? that is so lame.
There must be a explanation from Autozeitung.

Uli_HH · 09-05-2007, 04:31 PM

I think something went wrong in the AUTOZEITUNG Artikel...I don´t believe that they put the M3 on other tyres then that delivered from BMW...and on the pictures in the magazin the M3 stands on the standard 19"M3-wheels as shown in many spypics in this forum...

I don´t know if the 19"-Option meens anytime Michelin Sport Cup...would be nice, but in the M3 cataloge is no notice if 19"tyres stands for Sport(Cup)tyres...

ILC32 · 09-05-2007, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uli_HH

I think something went wrong in the AUTOZEITUNG Artikel...I don´t believe that they put the M3 on other tyres then that delivered from BMW...and on the pictures in the magazin the M3 stands on the standard 19"M3-wheels as shown in many spypics in this forum...

I don´t know if the 19"-Option meens anytime Michelin Sport Cup...would be nice, but in the M3 cataloge is no notice if 19"tyres stands for Sport(Cup)tyres...

It is very strange. It may be that the article is wrong and standard tires were used on the M3, but Cup tires would explain why the M3 has its shortest braking distances when hot but the R8 and C6 are the opposite. Does Autozeitung have a forum where a german speaker could raise this question and get a response from the magazine?

swamp2 · 09-05-2007, 06:03 PM

Great numbers but totally meaningless if the car was indeed tested with PSC tires. Not sure why they would do this, does not sound likely to me. We need to get to the bottom of this. German members - please help!!

Garrett · 09-05-2007, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon

Haven't seen the test, but I like this feature on their website! (NOT WORK SAFE):

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74671_450.jpg

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74679_450.jpg

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74691_450.jpg

http://www.autozeitung.de/online/bildDB/74691_450.jpg

Dammit, can't see the car, some broad is in the way!

-G

GregW / Oregon · 09-05-2007, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garrett

Dammit, can't see the car, some broad is in the way!

-G

Forget those liberal Euro sites then, and got to C&D or R&T!

NavNurs · 09-05-2007, 10:57 PM

Is this correct that a S600 Benz beat the E46 M3? How the hell could that happen?

GregW / Oregon · 09-05-2007, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by NavNurs

Is this correct that a S600 Benz beat the E46 M3? How the hell could that happen?

Uhh, like almost twice the power? And only by 0.2 sec.

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