BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > New and Preowned M3 Pricing, Ordering, Tracking / European Delivery / Dealer Reviews
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      02-27-2008, 12:27 PM   #89
[M3noDRFT]
[Rockville to Annandale VA in 13 minutes]
United_States
5
Rep
36
Posts

Drives: [Drophead M3]
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Silver Spring, MD

iTrader: (0)

Random, but there isn't a 135i vert coming out??
__________________
-iM.
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 12:28 PM   #90
!Xoible
Banned
United_States
823
Rep
46,029
Posts

Drives: ....
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: .

iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2008 M3  [4.00]
2007 335i  [9.00]
2008 528i  [8.00]
2006 Infiniti - G35 ...  [8.00]
very wrong forum! go to 1addicts.com or something
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 12:36 PM   #91
Bemve
Second Lieutenant
Bemve's Avatar
Canada
26
Rep
261
Posts

Drives: AW/FR e92 M3
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mtl

iTrader: (0)

Are these numbers for Canada too???
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 12:45 PM   #92
Race_Doc11
Lieutenant Colonel
Race_Doc11's Avatar
446
Rep
1,626
Posts

Drives: 2023 G82 M4
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: USA

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2023 BMW G82 M4  [0.00]
2018 F80 M3  [10.00]
2013 Audi RS5 (Sold)  [10.00]
2008 E93 M3 (Sold)  [10.00]
this is way high...I was at the dealer last week and I was told for for a 650i that was 82K: 2400 down it comes up to 1200 a month including tax...I assumed at that time that M3 will be less. If the figures you guys came up with is accurate it is better to buy it than wasting 43K ... this is my thought
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 12:51 PM   #93
konaforever
Second Lieutenant
United_States
5
Rep
243
Posts

Drives: 2009 Red GTR
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Boston, MA

iTrader: (0)

335i coupe looking good now...
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 12:51 PM   #94
Los Angeles
Steve Forte Rio
No_Country
147
Rep
2,393
Posts

Drives: 08' 328i
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 90036

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmos515 View Post
Sometimes I mod, other times no.
Why do you get a new car every 9 months?

Don't you lose a lot of money doing that?

Are you buying slightly used cars? or

never been driven brand-new current model year cars?
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 01:19 PM   #95
!Xoible
Banned
United_States
823
Rep
46,029
Posts

Drives: ....
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: .

iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2008 M3  [4.00]
2007 335i  [9.00]
2008 528i  [8.00]
2006 Infiniti - G35 ...  [8.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by racedoc11 View Post
this is way high...I was at the dealer last week and I was told for for a 650i that was 82K: 2400 down it comes up to 1200 a month including tax...I assumed at that time that M3 will be less. If the figures you guys came up with is accurate it is better to buy it than wasting 43K ... this is my thought
M cars should have higher MF for sure, like much higher, but should have at least the same residual
Quote:
Originally Posted by konaforever View Post
335i coupe looking good now...
+1, not a bad bargain at all
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 01:20 PM   #96
!Xoible
Banned
United_States
823
Rep
46,029
Posts

Drives: ....
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: .

iTrader: (4)

Garage List
2008 M3  [4.00]
2007 335i  [9.00]
2008 528i  [8.00]
2006 Infiniti - G35 ...  [8.00]
btw when the Z4M first came out leases were like 1200 altho it's a 50k car! now u can pick one up for 450 a month
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 01:43 PM   #97
BMWPower06
A^M=G is nothing w/o the Power of ///M
BMWPower06's Avatar
United_States
171
Rep
1,816
Posts

Drives: ///M5 & ///M3
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Washington D.C.

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmos515 View Post
This is for 36 months?

This makes no sense, Quick caculations on lease payments for a $70k M3 come out to about $1400 a month with 8% tax included. For BMW where 65% of the cars are leased they are removing themselves from the market.

I need confirmation of this.

I need confirmation of THIS. (bolded)
__________________
Indianapolis Red BMW ///M5
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 02:07 PM   #98
cosmos515
Second Lieutenant
cosmos515's Avatar
No_Country
64
Rep
268
Posts

Drives: I find what I keeps
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rock and a Hard Place

iTrader: (0)

It was a figure that I was told by someone at BMW. We were talking in general, but the figure is right. More than half of all new BMW's sold are leased.
__________________
"Motion does not equal progress"
"I love the smell of cosmoline in the morning"
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 02:25 PM   #99
konaforever
Second Lieutenant
United_States
5
Rep
243
Posts

Drives: 2009 Red GTR
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Boston, MA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWPower06 View Post
I need confirmation of THIS. (bolded)
I found this here: http://www.edmunds.com/advice/leasin...1/article.html

"Letting folks transfer their lease makes particularly good sense for Mercedes-Benz and BMW; in 2007, leasing made up a whopping 32 and 60 percent of their respective sales."
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 02:53 PM   #100
Epacy
Reincarnated
Epacy's Avatar
245
Rep
4,227
Posts

Drives: 02 Maxima SE
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmyz View Post
Oh, ok... then you are right. Didn't catch that, my bad.
No problem. I didn't really say before that I wasn't financing the whole amount. That would suck. Payment will be less than half of what everyone is about in here.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 02:56 PM   #101
GregW / Oregon
Commander-In-Chief
2067
Rep
8,898
Posts

Drives: 2023 M2 Coupe, 2020 GLE 450
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, OR

iTrader: (3)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by mantis View Post
btw when the Z4M first came out leases were like 1200 altho it's a 50k car! now u can pick one up for 450 a month
OT: No wonder you have 25,000 + posts--they're all 1 sentence!
__________________

Greg Lake Oswego, Oregon, USA
2023 M2 Coupe - Brooklyn Grey/Cognac/CF, 6MT; 2020 MB GLE 450
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 02:59 PM   #102
Jimmyz
Second Lieutenant
25
Rep
258
Posts

Drives: E92 M3 or Audi S5 (soon!)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by par4bmw View Post
How did you come to those C63 numbers?
MSRP of 60k with options, and as I said, I used the lease numbers from the E90 M3.
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 03:01 PM   #103
Hans Delbruck
Major
Hans Delbruck's Avatar
United_States
75
Rep
1,288
Posts

Drives: C63, 135i, Evo FE, GLE63
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Huntington Beach, CA

iTrader: (0)

The reason the residual value is a low percentage is because the MSRP is so high to begin with.... does that make sense or am I not understanding this? The more you pay, the more you lose. Extreme examples would be the 996 GT2 (depreciated like a rock, percentage-wise) and a Honda Civic (doesn't depreciate much, percentage-wise)

The M3 is an expensive car when you option it out and add on Cali tax. That's why I've hesitated. This isn't in the same ballpark as the E46 M3 was. The E92 would be about $75K for me OTD and that's quite a large chunk to lay down "for a 3 series."

I think the new M3 may have priced itself out of the market, just like the M5's sitting on the lots at $98K MSRP. If you wait, there will likely be deals.

With US consumers tapped out, not everyone can afford a BMW anymore, and I think that's GOOD!
__________________
2009 135i 6MT Euro Delivery 9/5/09
BMW Performance Power Kit - Exhaust - Short Shifter - Suspension
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 03:02 PM   #104
Jimmyz
Second Lieutenant
25
Rep
258
Posts

Drives: E92 M3 or Audi S5 (soon!)
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmos515 View Post
The C63 will have the worst #'s. MB MF is stupid like 10% and their residuals will be like 45%.

I have seen it happen before. You will NO WAY get a c36 for $1000

Out out Audi, BMW and MB. BMW will have the best residuals and MF, Audi may have a lower MF, but also MUCH lower residuals and MB will have bad MF and Residuals.

Sorry, its just how it is, dont shoot the messenger.

Actually for the S5, Audi has a better residual and a worse MF, compared to the E92 M3.
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 03:03 PM   #105
Epacy
Reincarnated
Epacy's Avatar
245
Rep
4,227
Posts

Drives: 02 Maxima SE
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck View Post

With US consumers tapped out, not everyone can afford a BMW anymore, and I think that's GOOD!
Agreed.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 03:09 PM   #106
konaforever
Second Lieutenant
United_States
5
Rep
243
Posts

Drives: 2009 Red GTR
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Boston, MA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck View Post
The reason the residual value is a low percentage is because the MSRP is so high to begin with.... does that make sense or am I not understanding this? The more you pay, the more you lose. Extreme examples would be the 996 GT2 (depreciated like a rock, percentage-wise) and a Honda Civic (doesn't depreciate much, percentage-wise)

The M3 is an expensive car when you option it out and add on Cali tax. That's why I've hesitated. This isn't in the same ballpark as the E46 M3 was. The E92 would be about $75K for me OTD and that's quite a large chunk to lay down "for a 3 series."

I think the new M3 may have priced itself out of the market, just like the M5's sitting on the lots at $98K MSRP. If you wait, there will likely be deals.

With US consumers tapped out, not everyone can afford a BMW anymore, and I think that's GOOD!
The costs of the car has no effect on the residuals. BMW's are known for their high residuals.
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 03:09 PM   #107
lucid
Major General
lucid's Avatar
United_States
374
Rep
8,033
Posts

Drives: E30 M3; Expedition
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck View Post
The M3 is an expensive car when you option it out
Yes, BMW fooled us all at first with the relatively low base price, but how many people will end up buying bare bones cars without the packages and leather? They are making us pay $400 for a USB port, and who doesn't need a USB port these day? Clever, ha? Regardless of how restrained one intends to be, this is more like a $65k car without taxes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Delbruck View Post
I think the new M3 may have priced itself out of the market, just like the M5's sitting on the lots at $98K MSRP. If you wait, there will likely be deals.
I don't think the M3s will get hit as hard as the M5s, but yes, there will be significant deals this time next year. I don't have the patience to wait for that though.
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 03:11 PM   #108
Epacy
Reincarnated
Epacy's Avatar
245
Rep
4,227
Posts

Drives: 02 Maxima SE
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by lucid View Post
I don't think the M3s will get hit as hard as the M5s, but yes, there will be significant deals this time next year. I don't have the patience to wait for that though.
That's why you get the deals now, like me.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 03:14 PM   #109
Hans Delbruck
Major
Hans Delbruck's Avatar
United_States
75
Rep
1,288
Posts

Drives: C63, 135i, Evo FE, GLE63
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Huntington Beach, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Epacy View Post
Agreed.





I'm predicting a lot of high-end action on swapalease.com !

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...repo-man_N.htm
__________________
2009 135i 6MT Euro Delivery 9/5/09
BMW Performance Power Kit - Exhaust - Short Shifter - Suspension
Appreciate 0
      02-27-2008, 03:15 PM   #110
lucid
Major General
lucid's Avatar
United_States
374
Rep
8,033
Posts

Drives: E30 M3; Expedition
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Epacy View Post
That's why you get the deals now, like me.
You probably threatened to sink all the ships they have cars on and got the deal, so an exception really.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:22 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST