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It's also obviously not a good idea to be mixing Advance drivers with intermediate drivers.
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He can't control the gas brake etc.. Even if he grabbed the wheel... And instructor isn't going to be able to prevent an accident if the driver has already lost it
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The instructor keeps people in check and offers another set of eyes for what's going on WAY ahead of you and behind you.
I'm not saying it would have prevented a crash, but it's pretty rare with the SoCal CCA club, particularly a car on car accident.
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He very clearly told the driver "Don't snap off the accerator". The driver felt the car begin to slide a bit on a curve, paniced and snapped off. The car spun instantly and scraped the wall. The left side of the car recevied a lot of damage but remained structurally intact and neither driver or coach was injured. Having an instructor on board may make you safer but it does not make you invinceable. CA
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But I don't think people are as aggressive in CCA Club events, from what I've heard at least. Never attended on personally, so I can only rely on what I've heard from others.
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It's really instructor dependent. My last instructor was pretty aggressive after I earned his trust. He was telling me to floor it through certain turns. And when I did it, he'd be like, "I love that butt clinching feeling!!" Another time he was like, "you feel that? How it's almost out of control? I love that feeling!!" You just have to earn their trust, but some instructors are definitely more up tight. They also emphasize smoothness over all out speed, saying the speed will come. Which is true, but not what your right foot wants to do. .
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I track my M3 all the time, as mentioned in a post ages ago in this thread, IMHO if you are an driving enthusiast verses a concours guy, you must get it out on the track, with insurance (don't even think about without it) Since my last post I had the occasion to venture on to a track in a complete deluge (as wet as gets) really interesting, all low speed (only a nutter would get in to 3rd) but man did I have good time learning how my car performed in this situation (the odd spin/understeer and wobble however I would have done 50+ sweet slides in all sorts of corners) had a ball! Dry is also amazing after an m3 then 911 gt3 now that is scary (btw be very careful going out of the gt3 back to an m3!) and yes I was insured in both. Cheers stu See youtube "e92 hamptons" show me messing around at the end of a recent day |
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I reached the point a few years ago where I realized that I wanted a dedicated track car as the qualities that I wanted in a track car were very different than the qualities I wanted in a road car. CA
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No car on car accident -- not sure what I said to suggest that. Both were single car accidents (car hits wall). As far as advanced running with intermediate, that's pretty common in my events, particularly if the advanced driver missed their session, and the advanced driver is not an aggressive a**hole (which I'm not). Intermediate running in advance wouldn't work. For me, it worked well -- with my higher skill level, I could test my skill in keeping up with drivers in much faster cars (a CTS-V for instance).
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This sentence sounded like car on car: "plowed what looked to be a virtually new M3 into the tire wall coming out of 12. "
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I read it as a "new m3 hit the tire wall coming out of 12" English is a strange language...
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I went back to read it a few times and see what he was saying now.
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I did a quick search on this, and getting a 944 and putting an LS1 is pretty much same money as buying a Corvette.. My question is, what is the point? Internet says 944 is a very well balanced car. Is that the reason for all this trouble? Don't take this wrong, I'm also interested.
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The hope would be to never have to put an ls1 in it, but if something bad did happened, instead of paying the Porsche premium, I'd slap american muscle in there and be done with it. Its nice to know there is an upgrade path. I also happened to find a pretty decent deal on a track prepped 944. when you add all the safety bits, and track bits, cars get really expensive. my other option was a spec miata, but for near the same price, im buying something with similar handling and a lot more power. I've not seen a track ready vett for near 10k (what 944 with ls1 swap would cost me). if you do, please point me in the right direction. I havent pulled the trigger yet |
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My assumption was 20-25k to buy a 944 and put an LS1 in it. For that money, you can buy a C5 Z06. I didn't think finding 944 with LS1 would be easy. Btw, which 944 are you looking? NA or turbo? Looks like NA ones get about 190hp (944s) while turbo gets 220-250hp (turbo/turbo s). If the car can get down to 2400lbs, that's decent power. One of the things I'm looking in a track car is light weight and small torque to keep running costs low (which is why I sold the M3).
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