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      08-24-2007, 09:11 PM   #1
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A bit disconcerting

This is from Jimpower over at M3Forum:

"Never buy first year or even second year production cars....Im a tech and a major BMW dealerships and just like when the e65 came out we were flooded with problems..02 and 03 model year were horrible, but once they fixed some of the mechanical and software issues, they are pretty reliable cars. However if I planned on keeping my M5, I wouldnt do it without CPO...."
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This is from Jimpower over at M3Forum:

"Never buy first year or even second year production cars....Im a tech and a major BMW dealerships and just like when the e65 came out we were flooded with problems..02 and 03 model year were horrible, but once they fixed some of the mechanical and software issues, they are pretty reliable cars. However if I planned on keeping my M5, I wouldnt do it without CPO...."
Ruff man, you need to be a little bit more optimistic. You seem so under the weather about a car that you can't even buy yet!

Yeah, there might be issues with a new release, but BMW will take care of them, so I don't think that's good enough of a reason to wait around. DCT might be something to be careful with though. We'll see...
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      08-24-2007, 10:25 PM   #3
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Ruff man, you need to be a little bit more optimistic. You seem so under the weather about a car that you can't even buy yet!

Yeah, there might be issues with a new release, but BMW will take care of them, so I don't think that's good enough of a reason to wait around. DCT might be something to be careful with though. We'll see...
Thanks for the pep talk, been waiting for E90 M3 for close to 20yrs, way to long. I guess the myth, the hype and expectations were simply too high. Usually mags perpetuate the M3 myth but not with this version.
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20 yrs? How did you know about it then?
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      08-24-2007, 10:48 PM   #5
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not getting the first model year or so is a smart idea. its not specific to BMW though, to any car. especially german cars with lots of electronics, there are alot of things that can go wrong. im a tech for MB and the 211 e class had tons of problems initially....ive even seen a PDI with problems.
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      08-24-2007, 11:03 PM   #6
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20 yrs? How did you know about it then?
Good question. You can chalk that up to confused writing. Actually, I have wanted an M since the E30 and became really excited around 97 when the E36 M3 sedan came out... a stealth family hauler. Been trying to save money ever since, inspite of major barriers such as graduate school and house expenses. Just hoping M would put out another sedan version once finances vastly improve.
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      08-24-2007, 11:04 PM   #7
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Wow man thx alot for the info!!!!
Especially for people like me that have already ordered the car!!!

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      08-24-2007, 11:20 PM   #8
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This is from Jimpower over at M3Forum:

"Never buy first year or even second year production cars....Im a tech and a major BMW dealerships and just like when the e65 came out we were flooded with problems..02 and 03 model year were horrible, but once they fixed some of the mechanical and software issues, they are pretty reliable cars. However if I planned on keeping my M5, I wouldnt do it without CPO...."

I disagree with your quote. Each to the own i guess.
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      08-24-2007, 11:51 PM   #9
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There is some merit to what the OP said. But that being said by the time we get ours in the USA there will alreay be thousands world wide. Personally I dotn think there were many problems noted with 95 or 01 M3's. In fact the 95OBDI M3 was the E36 M to own IMO.

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      08-25-2007, 01:09 AM   #10
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Wow man thx alot for the info!!!!
Especially for people like me that have already ordered the car!!!

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Sorry. It's funny coming back to a regular forum like this when people on offtopic.com forum will simply laugh at other's misfortune and that's the norm. Seriously, you will be the first to have one and you will have great fun with the car. I wouldn't lose sleep or care much what others say because its under warranty.
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      08-25-2007, 01:10 AM   #11
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There is some merit to what the OP said. But that being said by the time we get ours in the USA there will alreay be thousands world wide. Personally I dotn think there were many problems noted with 95 or 01 M3's. In fact the 95OBDI M3 was the E36 M to own IMO.

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Agree. Something to consider but not to let dominate your decision.

On the engine and a lot of the electronics including EDC we have the benefit of the M5 being a testing ground.

Oh and there was not many problems with the 01 E46 M3 except the hundreds of engines that literally blew up. M is going to be really extra cautious this time around with the car for the sake of their reputation on their flagship car.
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Although I do agree with the concept of never buying the first year of production of any car, in the case of the E92 M3 I'll be waiting to buy a couple of years for additional reasons. Not only I do not want first year production woes, I don't want to be paying the "first sucker on the line" markups either.

Also, BMW likes to start adding features standard around the third year so it actually pays nicely to wait, especially if "under the table" incentives are also part of the deal.
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Agree. Something to consider but not to let dominate your decision.

On the engine and a lot of the electronics including EDC we have the benefit of the M5 being a testing ground.

Oh and there was not many problems with the 01 E46 M3 except the hundreds of engines that literally blew up. M is going to be really extra cautious this time around with the car for the sake of their reputation on their flagship car.
Good point about the M5 being a testing ground.

I am under the impression BMW replaced the blown engines, right?
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      08-25-2007, 11:06 AM   #14
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Yeah, they replaced them. And when all is said and done, that's literally the worst that could happen. You might be without your car for a few weeks and you'll get it back with a warrantied engine with 0 miles on it.
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Ruff man, you need to be a little bit more optimistic. You seem so under the weather about a car that you can't even buy yet!

Yeah, there might be issues with a new release, but BMW will take care of them, so I don't think that's good enough of a reason to wait around. DCT might be something to be careful with though. We'll see...
+10

It's nice driving around in a 7 series for a couple of days while BMW updates your software and such, plus they kiss your ass more.

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      08-25-2007, 01:11 PM   #16
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Looking at fall of 08 for the e90 M3 so engine will have been out for more than a year. Seriously considering DCT but don't think I would bite on that option, unless I were to wait for Spring 09 to give it at least a year to work out the bugs. Plan on whatever car I purchase, keeping it for good. Can't stomach the depreciation hits. Thus, my concerns about electronic aids and long term reliability.
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      08-25-2007, 01:43 PM   #17
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no matter how long you wait... there is something tow ait for with the new M3
i wrote a whole paragraph on this in another thread about waiting for better versions.
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no matter how long you wait... there is something tow ait for with the new M3
i wrote a whole paragraph on this in another thread about waiting for better versions.
Too right...

Ferrari Salesman: "Mr Billionaire, we'd like to invite you as one of our thirty most valued customers to buy an FXX."

Mr Billionaire: "I think I'll leave it a year or two until you've ironed out a few of the creases... oh yeah, and will there be a CSL version in the US? No? What about a convertible?"...

In a couple of years there will be heaps of new cars to try... or you could wait a bit longer for them to iron out the creases in the 998 etc...
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      08-25-2007, 06:13 PM   #19
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Some of you waiting 3-4 years for the car to have all the problems "ironed out" will be faced with spy shots of the new new M3 popping up on the web, and possibly an even tougher decision.
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Some of you waiting 3-4 years for the car to have all the problems "ironed out" will be faced with spy shots of the new new M3 popping up on the web, and possibly an even tougher decision.
Exactly. There will always be a better car or less-error-prone car coming soon in the future. There is no light at the end of the tunnel, ladies and gentlemen.
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hmm good point.. so just buy a 2005/2006 e46 m3 and be done with it then? that way someone else takes the depreciation hit, no need to wait for e90 issues to be ironed out, still got a few more yrs on warranty and it's still an awesome car.. not to mention price is dropped due to e90 coming out.. it's got me thinking
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... i've waited years for this car. if i were part of the normal consumer contingent, waiting a year or two for all the kinks to be worked out might be an option. but i'm not. i'm an enthusiast. i don't need the car. i want it. and while i consider myself a very logical person, it's passion that is driving my decision here. kinks or not, i'll be buying this car as soon it's made available to me. i'll let the warranty cover the kinks, and let the logical consumer look on at me wide-eyed, as i roar by with a big grin on my face.


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