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      09-22-2017, 04:41 PM   #23
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1. they want to use up all the code designations
2. there's a X3M and X4M now....
I'm confused by your statement, because the list already includes an 8er M

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      09-22-2017, 05:03 PM   #24
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How do you get that impression from an internal model designation?
1. they want to use up all the code designations
2. there's a X3M and X4M now....
M= Money= Marketing aka revenue for BMW AG. Unfortunately, it’s how it’s done these days.
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so in other words, they will cram in, dilute down and "differentiate" the M brand further by making a M for everyone?
No. The product list is exactly the same as it would be if they had instead decided to start off with the M5 at G80 and gone from there. The choice of codes has nothing to do with the choice of which products to produce.

Now, whether the M brand is more diluted by the addition of the new models this generation (which is really only the X3 M and X4 M since M8 picks up where the M6 left off) is another discussion entirely, and probably best for a separate thread. Objectively though, the real sprawl to the M brand is all of the new M Performance models coming this generation. Every single model except the X7 (in the US anyway) and 8er appears set to gain an M Performance model. You won’t see this fact exposed by a chassis code list though, since M Performance models just use the same code as the other models in a given series.
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4GC/GT swap last digits. F34 replaced by G26 and F36 replaced by G24.
Its possible I might have those backwards.
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There are so many g's I feel like I'm on the surface of Jupiter.

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I assume Z4 is based on 3er chassis?
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I assume Z4 is based on 3er chassis?
It will be built on CLAR, yes, like all Gxx models.

With a modular matrix, most everything is flexible so no vehicle is necessarily based on any other. Going by spy shots, it will have a shorter wheelbase than a 3 Series. The model lineup should be the same as the 3 Series though, except there are currently no plans for a proper M model, unfortunately.
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so in other words, they will cram in, dilute down and "differentiate" the M brand further by making a M for everyone?

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How do you get that impression from an internal model designation?

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1. they want to use up all the code designations
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What the hell does using up the F chassis model designations have anything to do with "dilution of the M" brand?

I can't wrap my head around what you're on about. These two things aren't related at all.

Do you really think they sat around in a meeting and said "We should really try to use up the rest of the F chassis codes before moving to G" and someone responded "Well I guess that means we're going to have to product a 2 series active tourer M car"

The chassis codes are dictated by what they produce, not the other way around.
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I assume Z4 is based on 3er chassis?
Yes. In fact, it will be the first implementation of 3/4-series version of CLAR on the market, as opposed to the old Z3/Z4s that were the derivatives of models already on sale. Mechanically, G22 will be its closest relative.
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Do you really think they sat around in a meeting and said "We should really try to use up the rest of the F chassis codes before moving to G" and someone responded "Well I guess that means we're going to have to product a 2 series active tourer M car"

The chassis codes are dictated by what they produce, not the other way around.
Yeah. More likely, it went like this:

BMW HQ: "Let's use G for the next generation platform vehicles".
Some M nerd: "D̶u̶d̶e̶s̶,̶ ̶w̶t̶f̶Meine Herren, you're leaving a whole bunch of F numbers unused!"
BMW HQ: "You M people are so smart, take them for yourselves."
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Now...will I be able to get my first M3 G80 in xDrive??
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F40 1er 5-Door
F41 1er 3-Door

F52 1er
What’s the difference between the F40/F41 1er 3/5 door and the F52 1er?
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      09-23-2017, 07:09 AM   #36
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Now...will I be able to get my first M3 G80 in xDrive??
Let's hope the answer is no. That's what an Audi RS car is for
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What’s the difference between the F40/F41 1er 3/5 door and the F52 1er?
The latter is the sedan which is currently only in China but which is rumored to be coming to other Asian nations and some European nations as well. To avoid clutter, I didn’t add the sedan/coupe descriptors to any model. In a manner of speaking, you can think of those as the Series defaults (sedan for odds, coupe for evens).

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G89M2GC?!(hope)
No, unfortunately. As you can see from the model list, the 2GC is a UKL vehicle, and BMW will not be doing UKL M proper vehicles for the foreseeable future (at least through the “G” generation, we can assume). The top model will presumably be an M235i xDrive M Performance offering.
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Let's hope the answer is no. That's what an Audi RS car is for
A Coloradan can dream.

I'll still likely get one and just use my set of winter Blizzaks.
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It will be interesting to see what the G80 will look like and perform like, compared to F80.

2018 F80 ZCP vs 2020 G80
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How do you get that impression from an internal model designation?
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2. there's a X3M and X4M now....
M= Money= Marketing aka revenue for BMW AG. Unfortunately, it’s how it’s done these days.
They are a public company, they have always been about marketing and making money as are all companies.
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2018 F80 ZCP vs 2020 G80
It will be 2022 most probably, on sale early 2021.

G20: November 2018
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G80/G82: ~March 2021
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