Blown motors, Rod Bearing failure S65 Registry.

[RAFiK - BMWClubUAE]

I'd love to hear if there's any ticking at cold start, but I park in a basement and I have almost a straight pipe on my car that triggers other cars' alarms :\

[pepper135I]

Another one down.. 2012 e92 m3 with 20,xxx miles. Currently at dealer and hoping for the best. As of right now it needs a new motor and BMW na says it was over revved.

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by pepper135I

Another one down.. 2012 e92 m3 with 20,xxx miles. Currently at dealer and hoping for the best. As of right now it needs a new motor and BMW na says it was over revved.

Sorry to hear Pepper. Manual? Pls keep us posted.

[pepper135I]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

Sorry to hear Pepper. Manual? Pls keep us posted.

It was dct.. BMW N/A wanted to hook up via Internet to diagnose. They said it was abused and voided my warranty. Service advisor and head mechanic are my buddies and said they would go to bat for me. got the call this morning. New motor on its way free of charge . Thank god for good working relation with them. They have replaced multiple parts on my n54 as well.

[pbonsalb]

Much harder to over rev a DCT since you cannot mis shift it. This is interesting.

[JRV]

Very cool

[4corners]

Originally Posted by pepper135I

It was dct.. BMW N/A wanted to hook up via Internet to diagnose. They said it was abused and voided my warranty. Service advisor and head mechanic are my buddies and said they would go to bat for me. got the call this morning. New motor on its way free of charge . Thank god for good working relation with them. They have replaced multiple parts on my n54 as well.

Who knows? BMW NA might have even looked at E90POST, saw your post and decided to replace it because they couldn't get away with the denial.

[NotoriousART]

Wanted to record this here. The previous owner of my M3 had the bearings replaced by BMW at 56K miles via CPO Warranty in 2013. It is a 2008, e90, 6MT production 03/2008. The vehicle now has 74K miles and no issues, runs strong. Note that the rod bearings failed shortly after both throttle body actuators failed.

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by pepper135I

It was dct.. BMW N/A wanted to hook up via Internet to diagnose. They said it was abused and voided my warranty. Service advisor and head mechanic are my buddies and said they would go to bat for me. got the call this morning. New motor on its way free of charge . Thank god for good working relation with them. They have replaced multiple parts on my n54 as well.

Great to hear Pepper!! What made BMW to initially refuse, any details on what log data they in fact captured? I assume your service history was according to their requirement?

Cheers

[pbonsalb]

Here is an 80k mile 2008 E93 rod bearing related engine failure that may not be posted here yet:

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=542393

[Obioban]

If it was overrevved with a DCT, can that even be classified as the owners fault? That's just a different system failing (and taking the bearings with it, under the presumption that over revving causes bearing failure).

[aus]

Originally Posted by pepper135I

Another one down.. 2012 e92 m3 with 20,xxx miles. Currently at dealer and hoping for the best. As of right now it needs a new motor and BMW na says it was over revved.

Sorry to have to add you. Did they ever explain how a DCT was over revved???

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

Here is an 80k mile 2008 E93 rod bearing related engine failure that may not be posted here yet:

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=542393

Thanks. Both of the above have been added.

Originally Posted by TizzKO

Wanted to record this here. The previous owner of my M3 had the bearings replaced by BMW at 56K miles via CPO Warranty in 2013. It is a 2008, e90, 6MT production 03/2008. The vehicle now has 74K miles and no issues, runs strong. Note that the rod bearings failed shortly after both throttle body actuators failed.

Did the engine get damaged or did they catch it in time?
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[Rich150001]

Originally Posted by pepper135I

Another one down.. 2012 e92 m3 with 20,xxx miles. Currently at dealer and hoping for the best. As of right now it needs a new motor and BMW na says it was over revved.

Ouch, two guys down this week alone.

[Helmsman]

Originally Posted by aus

Sorry to have to add you. Did they ever explain how a DCT was over revved???



Thanks. Both of the above have been added.



Did the engine get damaged or did they catch it in time?
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Aus, great of you to continue building this list. Do you know what happend to SenorFunkyPants, didn't he run a similar thing in parallel?

[pepper135I]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

Great to hear Pepper!! What made BMW to initially refuse, any details on what log data they in fact captured? I assume your service history was according to their requirement?

Cheers

The car had a tune + exhaust . Tune would allow for revs up to 8.4k. Every time I tracked it and hit redline the rpm was recorded. Car was returned to stock, but ovbs the rpms were still recorded by the car. I'm just thankful BMW is covering it. There was a very light tick at cold start but car has exhaust as I mentioned before, so very hard to hear any ticking on cold start . Should be ready next week. I totally understand you have to "pay to play"... But the car was dct and even with the tune I never once hit fuel cut or went above 8.3-8.4k. On top of that its a newer s65 with less than 20k miles . The motor gave out while I was cruising at 5k rpm on the freeway. It drove absolutely the same. Only difference was I felt a slight shaking and let off the gas, second I did so the car completely shut off . It was a pretty scary situation. Guessing the rod went through the motor.. Next day found oil under the car before it went to BMW . Back to the n54 for me =P haha .

[aus]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

Aus, great of you to continue building this list. Do you know what happend to SenorFunkyPants, didn't he run a similar thing in parallel?

Not sure where he went. He was doing more with the data, trying to figure out patterns/trends for engine failure

Originally Posted by pepper135I

The car had a tune + exhaust . Tune would allow for revs up to 8.4k. Every time I tracked it and hit redline the rpm was recorded. Car was returned to stock, but ovbs the rpms were still recorded by the car. I'm just thankful BMW is covering it. There was a very light tick at cold start but car has exhaust as I mentioned before, so very hard to hear any ticking on cold start . Should be ready next week. I totally understand you have to "pay to play"... But the car was dct and even with the tune I never once hit fuel cut or went above 8.3-8.4k. On top of that its a newer s65 with less than 20k miles . The motor gave out while I was cruising at 5k rpm on the freeway. It drove absolutely the same. Only difference was I felt a slight shaking and let off the gas, second I did so the car completely shut off . It was a pretty scary situation. Guessing the rod went through the motor.. Next day found oil under the car before it went to BMW . Back to the n54 for me =P haha .

Can you help the community and take 5 minutes to file a complaint with NHTSA since it happened while you were driving? It's really the best way to apply pressure to BMW to fix this.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

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[Helmsman]

Aus, you recon SFP have more data than you, if so should we ping him to try to pick it up? (might have his private mail).

[aus]

Originally Posted by Helmsman

Aus, you recon SFP have more data than you, if so should we ping him to try to pick it up? (might have his private mail).

I looked over his list a few months ago when he was still here and found 2-3 that I didn't have, but I think it's pretty similar. He even said he started with this list when he started looking at data to try to find trends.

At this point, it seems pretty obvious to me there's an issue. I'm sure the real list is MANY TIMES the one listed here since most M3 drivers aren't on the boards. Of the 8-9 owners I've know over the years with this car, maybe 4-5 were on the boards, and that's a skewed number because most of the guys on the boards I met at track events. Of my 4 personal friends/relatives with this car, NONE were on the board.

An even better compilation would be all the bearing pics posted with 90% showing premature wear to some extent.
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[pepper135I]

Originally Posted by aus

Not sure where he went. He was doing more with the data, trying to figure out patterns/trends for engine failure




Can you help the community and take 5 minutes to file a complaint with NHTSA since it happened while you were driving? It's really the best way to apply pressure to BMW to fix this.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/

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Of course

[Thekhwaj]

2012 E92 M3 22k miles DCT just diagnosed with bearing probs found metal in oil. Will have to wait to see the full extent of damage, most likely new engine needed according to SA. Never tracked only street driven, maintenance on time, never driven that hard...

[JRV]

Originally Posted by Thekhwaj

2012 E92 M3 22k miles DCT just diagnosed with bearing probs found metal in oil. Will have to wait to see the full extent of damage, most likely new engine needed according to SA. Never tracked only street driven, maintenance on time, never driven that hard...

Under warranty?

[Thekhwaj]

Originally Posted by JRV

Under warranty?

Yeah still under factory warranty until March luckily