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[kolosy]

Originally Posted by omgzirra_exe

There are still a few examples that are still good!

• SW20 (MR2)
• ZZW30(MR-S)
• Altezza/IS300/IS200 (3200lbs USD w/ 2JZGE, 3000lbs with 3SGE)
• 99' boxster

You could argue, despite the F8X/G8X being heavy cars, they will post lap times faster than the E9XM3 in the same "clubsport" build.

Similarly, you could argue the same for Porsches. Look at how large they have become, but their performance matches.

The E9XM just requires too much investment to be as fast. It can weigh under 3000lbs with the right money, parts, and effort, but it severely lacks power, which holds it back if you're still around 3200lbs.

An E36 with an S54 swap is difficult to resist if your sole goal is to achieve fast lap times.

So, to answer your question, I think the E9X is fine where it's at. You're right, we are running low on options in the near future.

However, I would subsequently replace my E9XM3 with the early 996 chassis, which comes in at 2900lbs, if I wanted to build a dedicated track car.

interesting. i feel like i'm on the precipice of either spending WAY more money on the E90, or bailing and getting a dual duty car like a G80. Aiming to hit 10 track days this year but I don't see myself getting into racing / clubsport any time soon...

[omgzirra_exe]

Originally Posted by kolosy

interesting. i feel like i'm on the precipice of either spending WAY more money on the E90, or bailing and getting a dual duty car like a G80. Aiming to hit 10 track days this year but I don't see myself getting into racing / clubsport any time soon...

I'm sort of in the same boat and I did make a massive purchase last year by buying Nitrons... but I also haven't met one of my goals since owning this car, which is getting it into the 1:55 club at Buttonwillow. Once I improve as a driver and actually fix the things that need to be addressed, I hope to achieve that goal. After that's done, I plan to buy an ESS G1 and end up with my "ideal" street car to drive the 10 miles to work.

I also just have a fixation with the 996 C2 and the 996 RSR, and I want one to replace the M3 as a track car as I become more financially available. (The M96 would be getting tossed out the window and replaced with a different engine... Perhaps a K24 Turbo swap? With a RSR body kit?? long term project)

But I'm with you; I would rather have a G80 M3 as the ideal replacement if I'm going for the dual duty car solution. However, since my wife is looking to get her own car soon, I won't have to worry about buying another daily driver.

but I also have 2 other projects that need to be done... my IS300 1JZ swap and my FC RX7 project with my father (he owned 3 along with his brother) an unfortunate dilemma

[Cmassey3]

Originally Posted by omgzirra_exe

I'm sort of in the same boat and I did make a massive purchase last year by buying Nitrons... but I also haven't met one of my goals since owning this car, which is getting it into the 1:55 club at Buttonwillow. Once I improve as a driver and actually fix the things that need to be addressed, I hope to achieve that goal. After that's done, I plan to buy an ESS G1 and end up with my "ideal" street car to drive the 10 miles to work.

I also just have a fixation with the 996 C2 and the 996 RSR, and I want one to replace the M3 as a track car as I become more financially available. (The M96 would be getting tossed out the window and replaced with a different engine... Perhaps a K24 Turbo swap? With a RSR body kit?? long term project)

But I'm with you; I would rather have a G80 M3 as the ideal replacement if I'm going for the dual duty car solution. However, since my wife is looking to get her own car soon, I won't have to worry about buying another daily driver.

but I also have 2 other projects that need to be done... my IS300 1JZ swap and my FC RX7 project with my father (he owned 3 along with his brother) an unfortunate dilemma

This may not be the cleanest example, but it's a ballpark representative of the range I see track prepped 996s for: https://www.racingjunk.com/track-day...e&np_offset=71

You could dollar for dollar divest from the E92 M3 right into one of these.

[omgzirra_exe]

Originally Posted by Cmassey3

This may not be the cleanest example, but it's a ballpark representative of the range I see track prepped 996s for: https://www.racingjunk.com/track-day...e&np_offset=71

You could dollar for dollar divest from the E92 M3 right into one of these.

i could probably cover 1/4 of that car by just selling my spare (original) S65 motor lol.

but that's a good case example! super under-rated right now.. market only going to get worse if you're looking at clean examples.

[StripclubDJ]

Just do to add coolers .



God speed yall

[omgzirra_exe]

Mishimoto that's a lot of work.

[kolosy]

is ferodo phasing out the ds1.11? i need a new set of rears (have a set of fronts sitting on a shelf), and the rears in DS1.11 are $100 more than the DSUNO. looking at the coefficient of friction chart, the DSUNO is comparable or even a little better. any issue with mixing?

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by kolosy

is ferodo phasing out the ds1.11? i need a new set of rears (have a set of fronts sitting on a shelf), and the rears in DS1.11 are $100 more than the DSUNO. looking at the coefficient of friction chart, the DSUNO is comparable or even a little better. any issue with mixing?

the dsuno is more aggressive than the ds1.11, do not put the dsuno in the rear. pair the ds1.11 up front with a ds2500 in the rear.

[kolosy]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

the dsuno is more aggressive than the ds1.11, do not put the dsuno in the rear. pair the ds1.11 up front with a ds2500 in the rear.

is that a more stable setup than 1.11 all around? i'm not looking to save a buck on brakes (!), but also if it's not needed then i can spend that elsewhere

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by kolosy

is that a more stable setup than 1.11 all around? i'm not looking to save a buck on brakes (!), but also if it's not needed then i can spend that elsewhere

1.11 is an endurance pad, and might be just fine front/rear. I’ve never ran that setup, but I have tried the 1.11 with the 2500 in the rear. It was ok.

[TheMechanic]

Thompson pic

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by turbo_joe

Sounds like you were at a BMW CCA event, they love spec e46 haha. I absolutely love the e92 on track and you can get the weight down a good bit as you turn in more into a track car. I run GTS3 with nasa, locally we have one other e92, a bunch of e46 M3s with different swaps or stock motor, and a couple e36s with swaps as well.

Almost everyone in the MA paddock (ok, only a few) keep steering away from the E9x and the number 1 thing is weight.

I still question; why do folks not commit to full race prepped E9X M3s?

I know they get spanked in SCCA due to being classed as T1, and it was a spank fest because all the V8 torque wonders......and this before SCCA allowed GT4 cars in


But, outside of TT, I do not see much being prepped for W2W. Outside of weight, I cannot see another reason why no one preps one


I know I know, The E46/36 combo is fully figured and the easy button but...??

[amg6975]

At this point I think for the price the F8x is the better option. There are are bazillion of them around, they make power super easy, same ballpark on weight, more reliable?

I just talked to Bimmerworld about something and they said they're turning all of their focus towards the F and G series cars because no one is buying anything for the older ones any more.

[Cmassey3]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Almost everyone in the MA paddock (ok, only a few) keep steering away from the E9x and the number 1 thing is weight.

I still question; why do folks not commit to full race prepped E9X M3s?

I know they get spanked in SCCA due to being classed as T1, and it was a spank fest because all the V8 torque wonders......and this before SCCA allowed GT4 cars in


But, outside of TT, I do not see much being prepped for W2W. Outside of weight, I cannot see another reason why no one preps one


I know I know, The E46/36 combo is fully figured and the easy button but...??

Part of me thinks it might come down to the financials. A prepped E36 M3 is $25-$30k, prepped E46 M3 Is $45-$55k, and the fully prepped E92 M3s are $70-$120k. At that level, factory race cars become an option like an M235i racing or old 911 Cup. F82 M4 GT4s and Cup M2s are still $130-$150k, but they'll get there eventually.

My other theory might have more holes in it, but I think the E92 M3 is the tipping point for where the speed potential goes beyond the risk level for what most HPDE drivers/grassroots racers are comfortable with. Granted, this is speaking in terms of a GT club-sport style car. Street trim cars aren't pushed as hard.This also comes from a general perspective and not one within the SCCA classes since I've not run with that group before and haven't used class potential to gauge a track car purchase.

My inspiration for getting into the platform was seeing the sheer number of them in Nurburging videos, it seems very popular there. If I could get into any chassis of my pick, I'd go with a G82 M4.

[omgzirra_exe]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

I know I know, The E46/36 combo is fully figured and the easy button but...??

i mean personally if i had to do it... with a e9X chassis in general I'd just go buy a E9X 328i/335i (if you wanted boost) and get it down to 2500-2700lbs easily before race weight with driver and fuel.

for W2W... it's just cheaper... to run a base 3 series over the M3. M3 parts are getting hard to obtain these days.. so i can't imagine W2W being something considered.

although I do think the M3 would be good in Endurance Series.