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Believe Porsche's test was true | 35 | 63.64% | |
Believe it was pure marketing BS | 17 | 30.91% | |
Or can't comment and don't care either way | 3 | 5.45% | |
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12-23-2008, 05:02 PM | #23 |
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That's why i said it's BS. I was particularly reffering to the GTR that did 7:29, that car was probably making more than 530hp, probably more like 550hp or more.
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12-23-2008, 05:47 PM | #24 | |
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Also the price difference is a little more in the US. |
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12-23-2008, 05:48 PM | #25 |
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12-23-2008, 05:57 PM | #26 |
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Yes, I have little doubt that Nissan got a GTR around the 'ring in 7:29. Whether they spent a week with dozens of runs to achieve that result (with a much lower overall average), used stickier tires, or changed the factory tune or otherwise altered the stock settings or components, something doesn't add up. The problem with video "proof," whether from Porsche or Nissan, is that it wouldn't detect any of these approaches (except maybe the tires).
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12-23-2008, 08:39 PM | #27 | |
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Let me help you rephrase. GT-Rs have shown widely varying 1/4 mi trap speeds indicative of a 10-20% under rating. Furthermore track times also indicate at least a 10% under rating (530 hp). Based on the existing evidence pinning down all production GT-Rs at the narrow range of 520-530 hp is not reasonable. |
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12-24-2008, 03:37 AM | #28 | |
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We have touched on this previously. When you take away the single poor result and the single amazing one the GTR 1/4 mile speeds all centre between 2~3mph, in other words it's very similar to that of the M3. Not the huge difference you are trying to portray. |
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12-24-2008, 04:03 AM | #29 | |
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Though even if I could get one it's looks don't appeal to me in the same way as the M3 does and in any case I would see myself in an RS5 sooner than a GTR, even if it's performance couldn't match the big Nissan, it's a more complete day to day package which is what appeals to me first and foremost. |
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12-24-2008, 05:57 AM | #30 | |
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The GT-R shows a much wider variation in trap speeds than the M3 even throwing out min and max values. Not sure how many times you have to be confronted with the data to accept it. Variation on dragtimes.com: Stock GT-R: 114-124 mph, 10 mph variation (note almost identical to the range found by magazines below) E9X M3: 111-115 mph, 4 mph variation m3post.com database, E9X M3: 111-115 mph Trap speeds GT-R: Car and Driver: 111 mph Car and Driver: 115 mph Edmunds: 115 Road and Track: 116 mph Motortrend: 120 mph DP Cars: 121 mph Car and Driver: 124 mph Jalopnik: 125 mph Variation: 14 mph Variation (excluding high&low): 9 mph Heck you are only wrong here by a factor of 300% (9 mph vs. 3 mph) 115->124 mph is roughly (again via the simple formula) 475->595 hp |
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12-24-2008, 09:27 AM | #31 | |
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It does appear that you are correct swamp, plus thanks for providing all of the data.
Though with the exception being the Road & Track tests all the rest from 111mph ~ 116mph were conducted on Bridgestone rubber and the others were equipped with Dunlops. Can't say if that should make any difference but it is interesting. Also a comment from the motortrend test you supplied. Quote:
One more to add to the list, Autocar got a 11.7s time (no mph figures), again on Dunlops. |
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