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However, I DO like "excessive amounts of power". You can always modulate excessive with a sensitive right foot and reasonable reflexes. I like that about M cars. I'd probably take a Z4M over a Cayman S because of the car's character. Is the Cayman a superior piece of engineering? Probably. Is it faster? Definitely for a novice driver, not so sure for an experienced driver. Is it more fun? Not for me. However, I have to say that I did drive a Lotus Elise at the track and loved it. If anything, that thing is even better balanced than the Cayman and has less power. However, its total lack of creature comforts and overall "rawness" made me love it too. |
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WICKED track...looks like a lot of fun. I couldn't help but notice....
That is A LOT of RED!
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There are degrees to this and to each his own. I'm sure a few Corvette drivers feel M cars are too nimble. |
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04-07-2009, 10:19 AM | #27 | |
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Something like this 8000 rpm big block. |
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04-07-2009, 10:20 AM | #28 | |
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The Elise is special but then it's that very exclusive car that caters for a certain type of person that isn't remotely mainstream, that is probably why you liked it so much. The Elise is all about fun regardless of track time and it's playful even at moderate speeds which isn't usually the case in sportscars, such is it's choice of rubber and the way it's been setup. |
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04-07-2009, 11:01 AM | #29 | |
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"Destroy" seems too optimistic. On technical tracks where lap times are close to the 1 minute mark, the Cayman is 1 to 1.5 secs faster than a Z4M. The M3 definitely holds its own. Who is having more fun though? That's pretty subjective and I'd rather have the M cars. |
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04-07-2009, 11:20 AM | #30 | |
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The Cayman S around Hockenheim is 1:13.9 compared to 1:16.7 for the Z4M Roadster and 1:17.2 for the Z4M Coupe, now that's a lot more than 1~1.5s. |
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I didn't realize that new Cayman had been figured on the ring though the time it did is around what was expected, but as Gearhead already said the ring isn't the be all that everyone believes.
Though the real test of the Cayman's metal is the times it does around tracks like Hockenheim and here is where the Cayman excels. |
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Mk2 Cayman S: 1:13.9 E92 M3: 1:14.3
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Great write-up Footie, much appreciated. I'd love to drive a Cayman S at some point in my life.
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Not crazy at all. That is a technical track. In any case, 0.4s is small enough of a difference to make it a driver's race. A slightly better driver in the M3 will outperform the Cayman S.
All this magazine racing is just that. Out on the real track outside of professional racing driver skill difference matters a lot more than differences between most performance cars. I have passed supposedly "faster cars" (911s, Caymans, a few Ferraris, etc) and have been passed by "slower" cars (Leon Cupra comes to mind).
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You should be able to go into any Porsche dealership and drive a Cayman S or 997.2 S without much hassle, just arrive in your M3. Porsche is great about test drives, don't hesitate, it's a great comparison experience. Turbos or GT3 require a bit more history to get the keys to.
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Seriously, don't let that stop you, 335i is plenty of car to arrive in. They're desperate to sell P cars, the salespeople looked bored silly these days and likely happy to entertain any remotely possible buyer. My dealership has a couple of launch PDK testers that are fair game to almost anyone...just don't ask to drive a GT2 or Carrera GT.
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Once again we have people posting comparison times with no other facts!
Where the cars lapping @ the same time? as we know a tracks traction can change during the the day due to sun,oildowns & temperature. What tires were on both cars?Did one have a semi-track tire or R compound. Who was driving both cars? Without knowing a few facts,it is only numbers not anything meaningful! |
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It's not stated for the Cayman, but Horst von Saurma drove the M3. Best regards, south
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LOL yes 140 sweeper turns are quite scary in the cay.
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