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06-22-2009, 11:16 AM | #23 |
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They are about 3mm I think. Not a big deal.
I like them. A small handling improvement overall.
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06-22-2009, 12:30 PM | #24 |
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I'll get the springs with the camber plates. I don't care about lowering the car but I don't want to lift it either, especially not the front. (I should not have ordered the EDC to begin with.) By the way I was OK without the DSC last Friday. I was much more cautios but interestingly lap times were almost the same, eventhough I was more agressive with the MDM and felt faster that way. |
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06-22-2009, 02:48 PM | #26 |
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Not enough miles on them after the camber plates to tell yet...
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06-23-2009, 06:25 AM | #27 |
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Lucid you are getting -1.4 camber up front with the stock set-up (pins removed). Did you adjust the toe at all?
Do you camber plates clunk over bumps?
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06-23-2009, 06:59 AM | #28 | |
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jml reported that he got -1.4 without plates and pins here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192175
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06-23-2009, 10:35 AM | #29 |
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1.7 front and 2.0 in the rear according the guys at evo sport. He even sent me the computer screen shot. However, I don't recommend doing it if it is your daily driver as it will tear through the rubber quick.
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06-23-2009, 10:56 AM | #30 |
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Those sound pretty high. I wonder how they did it. Was the car lowered?
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06-23-2009, 11:00 AM | #31 |
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I believe it does have eibach springs. I sent them an email asking for more info.
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06-23-2009, 08:01 PM | #32 |
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Excess toe will kill a tire much faster than excess camber....FYI
I am curious what toe settings you guys are running. Has anybody tried a bit of toe-out (yeah, I know its a tire killer, but the turn-in should be fantastic -- at least it was on the GT3)?
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06-23-2009, 10:24 PM | #33 |
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The problem is, you can't get MDM and NOT get EDC. Damn you BMW.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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06-24-2009, 06:45 AM | #35 |
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Camber maxed @ -1.3 & -2.0
With stock springs (...stock everything) my shop pulled the front pins and got to -1.3 IN FRONT and -2.0 IN the REAR.
So far, with 3 track days tire wear is fairly even on my RA-1's (275/35/18 square). Understeer is reduced dramatically and rotation is nice. |
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That's nice, I am planning to do the same. By the way how "pulling out the pins" actually accomplished?? Do you have to just grab them and pull, or you need to unscrew them?? |
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Can anyone post a picture of the "so called pin" in the strout tower. I found a shop who is willing to do the alignment of my specs (if possible) if I willing to pull the pin myself. I took of the EDC cover and I saw a metal disc top of the shock but not the pin.
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http://m3.madrussian.net/diy_camber.shtml If the guy at the shop is asking you to remove the pins and doesn't know how to do that himself, take it somewhere else who knows what he is doing as he might screw up your alignment altogether. The dealer should be able to do this for you. It's not a crime to have the alignment the way you want although they might recommend against more negative camber than stock up front due to tire wear on the street, etc.
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Thanks a lot, Lucid!!
My dealer is not willing to remove the pins, since "that's not recommended by BMW". Unfortunately, I could not find anyone in Omaha, who is familiar with the e92 M3. I would not even call the dealership an expert service on the M3. Thanks again!!! |
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I guess there aren't a whole lot of BMW shops in your area. Too bad, and good luck. As you can see in the DIY I referenced, it shouldn't be too hard.
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Do you find the extra negative camber really increases wear on your street tires? Now to a bit of OT: your 265/295 setup, that is on your track setup not your stock 19s street setup correct? If its the stock 19s, aren't those tires too big for stock wheel thus creating bubbling/bulging at the edges and leading to lest responsiveness on turn in/lane change/etc? Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread, very informative for those of us with little experience with adjusting our toe/camber for tracks time. Cheers, e46e92
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When they removed the pins and aligned, one side was -1.7 and the other -1.4, so I had them match both sides at -1.4, and the rear at -2 (could go more). This is on an EDC equipped car.
I talked to james clay about it and he said he thinks the revised geometry on the front strut, especially under turning, has really helped traction and tire wear. That's why he doesn't think the car needs camber plates (or sways for that matter). I'm on my 4th set of NT01s (275 square on 9.5" rims) and while I have to flip them once to get the max life, as long as I run the pressure about 40psi back in the garage after a cool down lap, they wear pretty well. The track I run is not very tight - I'm sure that helps. |
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