F82 M4 JB4 vs E92 M3 1/4 Mile

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

Once the M4 is fbo and tuned, you're going to need more than just the typical supercharger to compete with it.

You sure about that?! FYI, just a regular $10k supercharger kit like the VT2-625 will bring a DCT E9x in the 10s on the 1/4 mile with +130mph traps, I'm not an expert of the F8x but I know that the S55 will need A LOT of mods, and fuel, and meth to go there and that's without speaking about the traction issue of a +600tq rwd front engine car, also I'm sure it will need a turbo upgrade to surpass what a stock block S65 can do with a blower!

[BrewRifle]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

You sure about that?! FYI, just a regular $10k supercharger kit like the VT2-625 will bring a DCT E9x in the 10s on the 1/4 mile with +130mph traps, I'm not an expert of the F8x but I know that the S55 will need A LOT of mods, and fuel, and meth to go there and that's without speaking about the traction issue of a +600tq rwd front engine car, also I'm sure it will need a turbo upgrade to surpass what a stock block S65 can do with a blower!

My thoughts exactly and it will 'STILL' sound like a fart can muhahaha

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

Once the M4 is fbo and tuned, you're going to need more than just the typical supercharger to compete with it.

Depends what you mean by "FBO." Downpipes and tune? I'm not so sure. With downpipes, tune, turbos, and meth, you might be right.

I sense it is going to be tough to easily extract a lot of aftermarket power from the F8x.

There are no secondary cats from the factory and the primaries appear to be small and efficient. I'm not expecting huge gains from downpipes/exhausts.

The intercooler looks very good and would be very complicated to replace compared to an A2A FMIC on an N54. Hence, I don't see much potential for intercooler upgrades.

Given the stock power levels it doesn't appear there is a ton more room to safely add PSI with the existing turbos.

This a long way of saying I think the F80 is comparatively maxed out from the factory and I don't see the same leaps-and-bounds power increases from simple bolt ons on the S55 as with the N54.

[pbonsalb]

11.8 at 119 on street tires with no mods, for a 2 week old F80 M3 at my local drag strip in NH. That is about the same as Drew did with all the bolt on mods and drag radials with his E92. Yes, stage 2 supercharged E9x M3 with all the bolt ons are faster. The new M3s will get modded more and more as time goes on.

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

You sure about that?! FYI, just a regular $10k supercharger kit like the VT2-625 will bring a DCT E9x in the 10s on the 1/4 mile with +130mph traps, I'm not an expert of the F8x but I know that the S55 will need A LOT of mods, and fuel, and meth to go there and that's without speaking about the traction issue of a +600tq rwd front engine car, also I'm sure it will need a turbo upgrade to surpass what a stock block S65 can do with a blower!

M4 has already gone 11.6 stock. DPs, exhaust, tune, rubber and proper fueling should get it in the 10s. How many E9x M3s are in the 10s again?

[BrewRifle]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

M4 has already gone 11.6 stock. DPs, exhaust, tune, rubber and proper fueling should get it in the 10s. How many E9x M3s are in the 10s again?

I'm sure most of the intercooled superchargers could pull 10's with proper tires and some 100 octane.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

M4 has already gone 11.6 stock. DPs, exhaust, tune, rubber and proper fueling should get it in the 10s. How many E9x M3s are in the 10s again?

We have'nt seen many E9x running 10s because most owners of these cars don't buy DRs to go to the drag strip, but if one can do it, it usually meen they all can!

As for a FBO F8x running 10.xx, very possible, but to say that a E9x will need more then a typical s/c kit to compete with one is very optimistic I think, don't forget that a VT2-650 like everyone can put on their stock S65 trap between 132-134mph. Not sure if you realise how fast that is, so here's an exemple of what it can do agains other very fast cars

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

We have'nt seen many E9x running 10s because most owners of these cars don't buy DRs to go to the drag strip, but if one can do it, it usually meen they all can!

As for a FBO F8x running 10.xx, very possible, but to say that a E9x will need more then a typical s/c kit to compete with one is very optimistic I think, don't forget that a VT2-650 like everyone can put on their stock S65 trap between 132-134mph. Not sure if you realise how fast that is, so here's an exemple of what it can do agains other very fast cars

So you're again speaking of what a VT2 can do but that doesn't seem to be the typical around these parts. Or else you might have that. So most don't have VT2 kits and most can't do 10s, even though you speak of this kit like its very cheap and most have them. I simply asked how many cars have done 10 seconds, not what does it take to do 10s.
I'm pretty familiar with what a VT2 can do seeing as though my turbo M3 makes 600whp on low boost.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

So you're again speaking of what a VT2 can do but that doesn't seem to be the typical around these parts. Or else you might have that. So most don't have VT2 kits and most can't do 10s, even though you speak of this kit like its very cheap and most have them. I simply asked how many cars have done 10 seconds, not what does it take to do 10s.
I'm pretty familiar with what a VT2 can do seeing as though my turbo M3 makes 600whp on low boost.

You could always ask Roman to tell you but I'm pretty sure the VT2-625 is the most sold kit of all the supercharger kits on the market, so that should be enough to qualify it as "typical"!

As for the reason I'm running a VT1 , it's mostly a question of need, my M3 has always been a daily driver, even in the winter here in Quebec so I did'nt needed a +650hp, it was also a question of budget, a VT2-625 was ~$5k more then my VT1 back when I purchased it and I would have probably needed BBK and coil-overs to go with it! Since then I installed test pipes and upgraded my VT535 to 550 pulley. I could'nt be happier with my car right now, It's very reliable, it sounds glorious, and goes more then fast enough so I don't see any reason to upgrade my kit...or my car as a mather of fact!

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

You could always ask Roman to tell you but I'm pretty sure the VT2-625 is the most sold kit of all the supercharger kits on the market, so that should be enough to qualify it as "typical"!

As for the reason I'm running a VT1 , it's mostly a question of need, my M3 has always been a daily driver, even in the winter here in Quebec so I did'nt needed a +650hp, it was also a question of budget, a VT2-625 was ~$5k more then my VT1 back when I purchased it and I would have probably needed BBK and coil-overs to go with it! Since then I installed test pipes and upgraded my VT535 to 550 pulley. I could'nt be happier with my car right now, It's very reliable, it sounds glorious, and goes more then fast enough so I don't see any reason to upgrade my kit...or my car as a mather of fact!

Understood. I'm not trying to really question your reason for your kit. Its all about what we enjoy at the end of the day. I was just saying that most don't have the upper kits on the E9x M3s and most haven't done 10s. I do believe it is possible though.
But I do think that once the M4 has full bolt on with a tune and proper rubber and fuel, it will do 10s. So we will just have to wait and see. But this route for a M4 might be more obtainable than a 10 sec E9x M3.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

Understood. I'm not trying to really question your reason for your kit. Its all about what we enjoy at the end of the day. I was just saying that most don't have the upper kits on the E9x M3s and most haven't done 10s. I do believe it is possible though.
But I do think that once the M4 has full bolt on with a tune and proper rubber and fuel, it will do 10s. So we will just have to wait and see. But this route for a M4 might be more obtainable than a 10 sec E9x M3.

But where have you seen that most don't have the upper kit, I'm really curious to know?! I've been on this forum for a while now and have seen more people running the VT2s 600, 625 and 650 kits then the VT1s like I have, same thing on Youtube! Also I'm pretty sure I've seen Roman say somewhere that their VT2-625 was their most popular kit.

And franckly, I'm not really sure that running E85(or simlar fuel)+meth+FBOs and tune on a F8x is really more "obtanable" then just bolting a S/C kit on an E9x. Maybe a bit less expensive, but surely not less of a hassle.

Also I would say that running E85+meth in a F8x is pretty similar to adding some race gaz in the tank of an E9x IMO, which everyone can do at low cost. In fact I'm about to do this, I'm getting my self a can of 109octane that I'll be mixing with my 94 to bring it to ~96-97octane, that should make a pretty good difference!

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

Once the M4 is fbo and tuned, you're going to need more than just the typical supercharger to compete with it.

While I generally symphatize with the M4... I am not sure I agree. SC'd M3s have gone 132-133 mph. Atm, the M4 is very far off that. The best trap so far of the M4 is Terry on his Vbox coming in at 126-127 MPH on a relatively aggressive E85 tune. The M4s exhaust and intercooler is very efficient from the factory... the downpipes may add another 20 WHP but that is about it. I fail to see how that would gain another 5-6 mph in the 1/4 on a real track. Remember, the highest gains always come at the beginning, everything else hits a massive diminishing point of returns. This isn't an N54 where you can slap on a single and completely refuel and retune the ECU to your liking. At this point, with the flow of these turbos I am near fully confident that there will be larger turbos required to trap in the 130s.

I think top end... if the strongest SCd e92 kit is in the right gear, it would run away from the M4.

Stock for stock or tune only... it becomes laughable for the e92 but that is a different story.

[TrevorM3]

here we go..


again.

[BrewRifle]

Just found this video today. Interesting how the DCT E92 held up against the M4.

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by ASAP

While I generally symphatize with the M4... I am not sure I agree. SC'd M3s have gone 132-133 mph. Atm, the M4 is very far off that. The best trap so far of the M4 is Terry on his Vbox coming in at 126-127 MPH on a relatively aggressive E85 tune. The M4s exhaust and intercooler is very efficient from the factory... the downpipes may add another 20 WHP but that is about it. I fail to see how that would gain another 5-6 mph in the 1/4 on a real track. Remember, the highest gains always come at the beginning, everything else hits a massive diminishing point of returns. This isn't an N54 where you can slap on a single and completely refuel and retune the ECU to your liking. At this point, with the flow of these turbos I am near fully confident that there will be larger turbos required to trap in the 130s.

I think top end... if the strongest SCd e92 kit is in the right gear, it would run away from the M4.

Stock for stock or tune only... it becomes laughable for the e92 but that is a different story.

Let's also not forget, 126-127 mph on a vbox is really like 122-124 on a real drag strip. Again, considering he is probably making somewhere around what(?) 550 rwhp or more(?), those numbers are just not impressive. Mind you a stock 530 crank hp 997.2 turbo S with AWD and similar weight traps 130 mph.
You will need new turbos on the new m3/4 to really make huge leaps in trap speed to what a VT625/650 M3 was doing in addition to the tune and full bolts ons the m3/4 already have available.

And stock for stock, the m3/4 should easily pull the e9x m3, its making 420-420 WHP STOCK vs 350 WHP on a stock e9x M3.

[M3lbournE92]

Originally Posted by BrewRifle

Just found this video today. Interesting how the DCT E92 held up against the M4.

that video is crazy, I did highway rolls with the m4 too and it wasn't anywhere remotely close to that

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

Let's also not forget, 126-127 mph on a vbox is really like 122-124 on a real drag strip. Again, considering he is probably making somewhere around what(?) 550 rwhp or more(?), those numbers are just not impressive. Mind you a stock 530 crank hp 997.2 turbo S with AWD and similar weight traps 130 mph.
You will need new turbos on the new m3/4 to really make huge leaps in trap speed to what a VT625/650 M3 was doing in addition to the tune and full bolts ons the m3/4 already have available.

And stock for stock, the m3/4 should easily pull the e9x m3, its making 420-420 WHP STOCK vs 350 WHP on a stock e9x M3.

I think you are right about the vBox being optimistic but I don't think it's 2mph...it's more like 0.5-1mph. It uses the terminal 1/4 mile speed vs the avg speed at the last 100 feet (or so) at the strip.

I don't think the 997.2 Turbo S does 130 stock. It's more like 128 vBox from the magazine testing. So maybe 127 drag strip stock. But it's also underrated at 530 crank HP. Mine made 501/536 on an AWD mustang dyno bone stock. So it's probably more like 560-580 crank HP stock. On the same day I trapped 130.3 with my 997.2 with a tune, the EAS M3 (ESS 625 blower with Akra Evo) also did a 130 trap.

Anyway I'm going to race Terry's M4 at the NFZ Airstrip event Nov 15 to see what happens between the world's most powerful M4 and a full weight daily driver ESS blown M3.

[Hujan]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Anyway I'm going to race Terry's M4 at the NFZ Airstrip event Nov 15 to see what happens between the world's most powerful M4 and a full weight daily driver ESS blown M3.

Interested to see those results.

[BrewRifle]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

I think you are right about the vBox being optimistic but I don't think it's 2mph...it's more like 0.5-1mph. It uses the terminal 1/4 mile speed vs the avg speed at the last 100 feet (or so) at the strip.

I don't think the 997.2 Turbo S does 130 stock. It's more like 128 vBox from the magazine testing. So maybe 127 drag strip stock. But it's also underrated at 530 crank HP. Mine made 501/536 on an AWD mustang dyno bone stock. So it's probably more like 560-580 crank HP stock. On the same day I trapped 130.3 with my 997.2 with a tune, the EAS M3 (ESS 625 blower with Akra Evo) also did a 130 trap.

Anyway I'm going to race Terry's M4 at the NFZ Airstrip event Nov 15 to see what happens between the world's most powerful M4 and a full weight daily driver ESS blown M3.

Best of luck good sir!

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

I think you are right about the vBox being optimistic but I don't think it's 2mph...it's more like 0.5-1mph. It uses the terminal 1/4 mile speed vs the avg speed at the last 100 feet (or so) at the strip.

I don't think the 997.2 Turbo S does 130 stock. It's more like 128 vBox from the magazine testing. So maybe 127 drag strip stock. But it's also underrated at 530 crank HP. Mine made 501/536 on an AWD mustang dyno bone stock. So it's probably more like 560-580 crank HP stock. On the same day I trapped 130.3 with my 997.2 with a tune, the EAS M3 (ESS 625 blower with Akra Evo) also did a 130 trap.

Anyway I'm going to race Terry's M4 at the NFZ Airstrip event Nov 15 to see what happens between the world's most powerful M4 and a full weight daily driver ESS blown M3.

Here is a bone stock 997.2 turbo S, 10.7@129.8 mph at the drag strip.

http://www.porsche**********/content...2-World-record

Even so, 501 rwhp is WAY less than what Terry's car is putting down, and they both are about the same weight so just shows the 911 puts the power down like no other. Dont think I can think of many other 501 whp or 560 crank hp cars that can trap 130 mph in stock form.

And good luck at the event!

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Wolfinwolfsclothing

Here is a bone stock 997.2 turbo S, 10.7@129.8 mph at the drag strip.

http://www.cockface/content.php?3531...2-World-record

Even so, 501 rwhp is WAY less than what Terry's car is putting down, and they both are about the same weight so just shows the 911 puts the power down like no other. Dont think I can think of many other 501 whp or 560 crank hp cars that can trap 130 mph in stock form.

And good luck at the event!

Yeah I don't doubt that someone got close to 130 at a crazy track like ATCO or VIR back east where DA's go way negative. But that's not the norm. There are also guys doing 125 in hot conditions. You gotta toss out the outliers.

No doubt the 911 puts the power down better. Engine in the back + wide rear tires + AWD + PDK will do that.

[Wolfinwolfsclothing]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Yeah I don't doubt that someone got close to 130 at a crazy track like ATCO or VIR back east where DA's go way negative. But that's not the norm. There are also guys doing 125 in hot conditions. You gotta toss out the outliers.

No doubt the 911 puts the power down better. Engine in the back + wide rear tires + AWD + PDK will do that.

Don't know where that was done, but assuming northeast. Either way, just didn't want you to think I made it up.
BTW - not making assumptions, but did you write that in the link that is in the quote?