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Currently, I am compromising by using S1, and using Heel and Toe for smoother downshifts - this seems a ridiculous compromise with such a sophisticated transmission, but it works. In a couple of days I am getting my third software update to ISTA/P 37.2, because I read on this forum that it reduces the harshness of the S4/S5 upchanges. (First software update got rid of the not down-changing under heavy braking fault, second update got rid of the 'lag' - both done under warranty. This update I am paying for, quoted £120 ($180) because there is no specific fault to deal with.) I love driving a manual, but in spite of the software updates I am delighted I chose DCT. I consider the DCT to be a genius transmission, and as others have said I also consider that it suits the character of the car well. If you want the ultimate touchy-feely driving sensation, then the M3 is probably not the car to give it to you whichever transmission you choose. |
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After spending 5 years commuting 500 miles round trip every friday and sunday on the autobahn and getting stuck in dreary 5-6-7 hour long traffic jams I dumped my love for a MT. I had a complete set of muscles in my clutch leg from in and out in and out.... hours on end. If I am going to drop 62k+ on a vehicle..... I want the option to shift if I so desire and to drive like a lazy ass if I dont want to. It is all a matter of preference I suppose. I like OPTIONS!!!
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05-17-2010, 09:31 PM | #71 |
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I jump off my left leg when I play basketball because it's so strong from clutching. I don't think I would be able to grab the rim if I had a DCT.
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Neither is better, but DCT fit my personal preference.
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05-17-2010, 10:35 PM | #73 | |
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My advice would be to simply be somewhat less aggressive with the throttle when accelerating in turns I suppose, but I'll give this some more thought next time I'm on the track.
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05-17-2010, 11:18 PM | #74 | |
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FYI, I've had the upgrade for a few weeks now and the car has adapted now. S4 shifts are not as smooth as when I first picked it up after the firmware update, but they are better than before. On full throttle however, it is the same. The improvement is in part throttle short shifts. You can modulate the throttle at the shift point to smooth it out on full throttle, which is something I didn't try before, simply because I never used S4 and because I felt the pulsing was too much. It works pretty well, and is fairly natural to me since I owned an SMG M3 for five years and that was a learned technique. Good luck By the way, sorry for the thread jack, but this is such an old thread with such a worn out topic, I thought nobody would mind...
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01-21-2011, 08:49 AM | #75 |
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Revising an old thread because I'm a new M3 owner:
I chose DCT even though I felt I had made a horrible enough mistake in '09 by buying a Carrera with Porsche's PDK. I traded that car for a 6mt Carrera S within 6 months and just took the enormous financial hit to have the manual transmission car I should have purchased in the first place. However, I owned two 6MT E46 M3's and thoroughly test drove a couple of manual transmission E92 M3's before deciding on DCT for this particular car. Porsche's manual transmissions are not to be missed. They are so smooth with perfect clutch pedal feel and linear engagement and the stick throw from on gear to another so effortless and with such a connected feel I swear you can feel the tranny fluid and all of the perfectly engineered moving parts through the shifter. However, I'm not a fan of the shifter feel or clutch pedal take up on BMW's M3 whatsoever and it was a disappointing part of my E46 M3 ownership experience (although a heck of a lot better option than SMG or SMG II which, IMO, was horrific). While BMW seems to have improved the feel and functionality of the 6MT with the E90 cars it is still no where near as perfect feeling as Porsche's manual. Personally, I love a properly design, great feeling manual, but I just don't feel BMW has got it right enough in the M cars to truly satisfy anyone who's owned considerably better feeling manual transmissions. My 2010 335i, M Sport, manual tranny (short shifter with added weight) was perfect.......almost right there with the Porsche manual. You could shift gears so smoothly that passengers felt like they were riding in a car with a fantastic auto tranny, but the M cars have a different feel to their manual transmissions altogether versus the 335i M Sport's and I, for one, don't like it. If the E9X Manual felt like the transmission in my 335i I would definitely have gone that direction with my M purchase. Porsche = Manual Tranny M3 = DCT YM....obviously....MV!!
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01-21-2011, 09:04 AM | #76 | |
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Seriously though - she doesn't know how to drive a stick and I'm not about to have her learn on the M. Plus, I'm not a 6MT enthusiast so I like the ease and blisteringly (probably not a word) fast shifts of the DCT. |
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01-21-2011, 09:46 AM | #78 |
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The even sadder truth is that a significant number of the people in that category own manuals. CA
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01-21-2011, 09:54 AM | #79 |
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Depends on what you mean by "can't drive". If you mean that they don't have race level skills, then I would agree. However, I'm sure they do have daily driving level skills.
I fall into that category. Could I optimize the full potential of a 6MT on a track? Hell no. Probably can't do that for a DCT either. But I can drive normally and comfortably every day! |
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01-21-2011, 10:04 AM | #80 |
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My meta-analysis:
This argument will go on forever with no conclusion. It will only end when we all end up in electric cars with no gearing. Haters gonna hate in both directions till the end of time. Many people realize this but will continue to contribute (myself included) because success in an internet forum debate does not mandate winning, it only requires that one's thoughts are acknowledged and perhaps validated by others (even if not agreed to). Also, claims of butt hurt towards other participants in the debate always make internet discussions worth their while. |
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01-21-2011, 10:28 AM | #81 |
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I chose DCT over manual, and I have been driving a stick since I had a 5 cyclinder Audi 90 back in 1994. I've always loved driving a manual as I enjoyed feeling "connected" to the car.
To make a long story short, I love driving the DCT. It really keeps me fully engaged when rowing through the gears. Downshifting is quicker and remarkably more fun than any Steptronic or "auto-manual" that I have ever driven. And when I am in traffic, I just click on over to "D" and let the car do the heavy-lifting. I do miss driving a stick every once in a while and would love to have a weekend car with one. But, for the time being, I am certain that I have made a great choice - at least for me. Don't underestimate the potential of this DCT - it is a remarkable innovation. |
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One thing that is never discussed is what the cost to "fix" a DCT transmission would be should it go defective outside of warranty. I plan on keeping my car for a very long time. Yeah sure, it's not like I couldn't afford to fix the car, but 5 years from now I'd probably rather drop that $3k-$5k on a vacation or a Porsche.
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Oh super, we haven't had a DCT vs 6M thread in the last 35 seconds, and lets start digging up old threads because you can't find a thread talking about this on each and every page on this forum.
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After driving in this damn LA traffic for 10 years I've finally said enough is enough. At least I can say I had both the 6mt and dct. No opinion on the dct yet as I don't have the car yet. When the roads are open the third pedal is so much fun but I don't see enough of that so I'm hoping I made the right choice!
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it's faster - you said "if you don't have a clutch you get bored" .. well the dct has two of them
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Let's face it. Aside from maybe 1 out of every 15 MT drivers on this entire forum, you guys can't properly drive a manual transmission to even give yourself an edge over a real slushbox steptronic.
DCT > 6MT in every way. And all this talk about heel-toe. please, heel-toe shifting merely allows you to rev match (imperfectly I might add unless you're a professional driver) which DCT does a million times over with perfect execution, further allowing you to focus on more important things like braking, turn-in and exit. Sorry, I just love throwing wood on the fire. |
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